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    Dear SZers,

    Welcome to The Garment Archives Project. As many of you know, there is often a dearth of clear images of the garments out there, especially from those designers who operated in the pre-Internet era. I would like us to change this. Many of us have wonderful garments in our closets, many of them rare. I want us to make a collective effort to share images of them, as well as information pertaining to their provenance. This project will allow us to create something that is unprecedented on the Internet and hitherto has been mostly reserved or outsourced to fashion departments of museums – a comprehensive garment archive. I ask all of you to contribute in this collective effort, and I encourage you to go far and wide in terms of designers you want to see here. Let’s make this something we can be proud of!

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    • Each designer will have his/her own thread. The threads will have to be created by one of the moderators, because of the specific nature of the posts. If you don’t see a specific designer thread, please PM me, lowrey, or Avantster, and we will add it. Anyone can create individual posts.
    • The nature of the posts is structured. Please take care to answer as many questions the posting form asks you – such as sex, season/year, fabric composition, country of manufacture, etc.
    • Be detailed in your description.
    • In order to prevent any loss of images, I have turned on attachments – you can now attach photos to your posts.
    • Please make an effort to take clear pictures, and no more than 4 photos per garment. Front and back are mandatory, and maybe 1 or 2 detail shots, if you feel they are important.
    • Please do not post any comments. This forum is for information/archival purposes only.
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    AHHHHHHH!

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    Thank you so much for taking my suggestion seriously and for taking the necessary time to organize the SZ archives Faust and others...this is going to be epic.

    I think, given the efforts of the collective, we can make this a resource that will draw more quality participants to SZ. More importantly, it will be fantastic to see and study designs I've only had "access" to when curators have chosen to grace us with exhibits, seemingly every decade or so.

    Further, I won't even have to travel to Japan to see the exhibits (though I would not complain if I were forced to.)

    Thanks again. I'm ready to jump out of my office chair just thinking about what this will become.

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    For some reason I am having trouble turning on the attachments. Standby.
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    re: Forum Structure and Posting Guidelines
    aside from a clear picture are there rules for how the garment should be shot - alone on a hanger, as more of a fit picture with a human wearing the garment, CHRIS style, either or...?

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    Nice! Thanks for this. I'll post some things after I relocate.
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    re: forum net-iquette,

    I wanted to clarify with Faust and others...as I thought more about the forum this evening, it occurred to me that I would find it easier to part with things were I able to archive my more "important" garments on an external server before passing them on. In fact, I would find it deeply comforting (god, I feel pathetic) if I could look up my garments any time after selling.

    I don't have any intentions to sell most of what I will archive, but I wanted to make sure that archiving, then selling at some point in what could be the near-future would not be an egregious broach of forum etiquette.

    But let's be clear about this: that is not to say that I would want, in any instance, for this to become a personal shopping thread for Russian/Chinese/fill-in-the-blanks bazillionaires.

    In any case, should we bother to make a policy regarding quick archive-sells so that it does not become a WTS clusterf•ck? I don't have a solution for this. At the very least, I hope that we are careful to use our discretion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianef View Post
    re: Forum Structure and Posting Guidelines
    aside from a clear picture are there rules for how the garment should be shot - alone on a hanger, as more of a fit picture with a human wearing the garment, CHRIS style, either or...?
    I understand the direction you're going with this however specifying too many restrictions will limit the amount of contributions submitted. Since a majority of the clothing by these designers are very dark and often matte, the details of the type of material or how it has been processed can easily be lost unless the submitter knows a thing or two about product or fashion photography. I do think that "clear" needs to be elaborated on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faust View Post
    Magic - the images are turned off for non-members. We cannot prevent them being lifted otherwise. What we could do, for those who have photoshop on their computers is to provide the SZ font, so you can do the watermarking yourself.
    That sounds much more reassuring. Maybe the entire section should be closed off for members with less than XXX posts, if that's possible. That would make the archive more of a benefit for members who contribute compared to the people who come to leech. Similar to the classifieds.

    And just to echo other people's sentiments, this is an awesome addition to the forum.

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    ^ this is the pay to play part of the forum
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    Kuugaia, I am not sure this is the right approach. I think that on the contrary, the chance to contribute to the archives will bring some of the lurkers out.

    The garment archives are the best of both worlds.

    1. The images don't need to be followed by an intellectual discussion.
    2. You are not posting images from a consumerist perspective.

    All members of SZ, unite!
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    We finally resolved the attachments issue. Let's kick it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faust View Post
    I want photos not to be on a human body, but garments in themselves. This is about the garment, it's not another WAYWT. If you have a mannequin and think the garment will benefit from being on a dress form, you can use it. We want only clear/high quality photos please.
    figured, though trousers in particular tend not to be very photogeneic by themselves, i personally find. maybe its just me. dont want to advocate another waywt either maybe more vintage atelier-esque. though i understand consistency concerns.

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    can we change thread titles to include the word "archive" or something to limit confusion with the designer's discussion thread? like Ann Demeulemeester Archive? just for ease of browsing...
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    is there an outlet for discussion? for example where can i air the fact that i find the dior gun bag albert just posted supremely dope?

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    some designers have that retrospective thread but now that seems redundant
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKA*NYC View Post
    is there an outlet for discussion? for example where can i air the fact that i find the dior gun bag albert just posted supremely dope?
    I would not want discussion here, but maybe we can link individual posts into designers and their work.
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