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  • syed
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 564

    #31


    Oh Johnny...
    "Lots of people who think they are into fashion are actually just into shopping"

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    • ES3K
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 530

      #32
      Originally posted by casem83 View Post
      Obviously what he said is not OK, but referencing Hitler just seems so ridiculous like he was just trying to say the most offensive thing possible. (...)
      Exactly my thinking. IMO Galliano was drunk, deeply frustrated and mortally offended somehow -- and started a counterattack with a vengeance. I don't believe he is really racist, but he wanted to hurt his opponents to the core.

      Stupid self-destruction.

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      • zamb
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2006
        • 5834

        #33
        Here is what ancient Jewish wisdom says about this..............

        "Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise." - proverbs 20:1
        “You know,” he says, with a resilient smile, “it is a hard world for poets.”
        .................................................. .......................


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        • Arizona
          Banned
          • Dec 2010
          • 14

          #34
          Originally posted by casem83 View Post

          Also the hypocrisy here is a bit disgusting. I'm sure LVMH has done vastly more harmful things behind closed doors (exploitation of labor anyone)
          .. or simply working within and furthering consumer culture. LVMH should be illegal.

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          • Faust
            kitsch killer
            • Sep 2006
            • 37852

            #35
            Thanks, syed :-)
            Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

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            • docintheory
              Senior Member
              • May 2008
              • 209

              #36
              Looks like he's headed to rehab:



              PARIS — John Galliano, the talented and troubled designer who was fired by Dior for making anti-Semitic remarks in a drunken rant at a Paris bar, left France to enter rehabilitation on Wednesday, according to friends who would speak only anonymously because of the sensitivity of the situation.

              He was persuaded to accept treatment for his alcohol problems by close colleagues and friends like the supermodels Naomi Campbell and Kate Moss, the sources said. While the treatment center is not known, it is likely that his destination is The Meadows, a facility in Wickenberg, Arizona, where Elton John and Donatella Versace were treated in recent years.

              For Christian Dior, the billion-dollar fashion house that dismissed him on Tuesday for making anti-Semitic remarks while apparently drunk, the problems are only multiplying. The Dior autumn 2011 women’s wear show will go ahead here on Friday, according to a person at Dior who asked not to be identified.

              The future of the John Galliano brand, which is underwritten by Dior and barely breaks even financially, is complex. Relying mainly on licenses, built up over the last decade, executives will have to see whether those external partners still want to be associated with a designer whose name has been globally smirched.

              But more dramatic for Dior, and for the entire future of haute couture, is the problem of finding a replacement for Mr. Galliano. From the British designer’s tsunami of ideas in the twice-a-year haute couture and ready-to-wear collections, design teams build ranges of inter-season collections and accessory lines. Without leadership, the fashion house can run only a short time on empty.

              In the past, Dior’s parent company, LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton, and its founder and chief executive, Bernard Arnault, have tended to switch both executives and designers from brand to brand. Mr. Galliano himself started his reign at LVMH at Givenchy in 1995, before switching to Dior the following year. So it is natural that the name of Riccardo Tisci, the currentdesigner at Givenchy, , Italian-born and British-trained, is considered high on the list of possible replacements at Dior.

              Mr. Tisci, like Mr. Galliano an alumni of Central Saint Martins College of Art and Design in London, has climbed the steep learning curve toward the heights of haute couture at Givenchy. The theory goes that other LVMH brands, like Céline, Loewe and Louis Vuitton, might then follow with changes in a kind of fashion merry-go-round.

              Other theories suggest that a rising fashion star might be plucked to take over at Dior or that an established success story — such as the invigoration of Lanvin by the designer Alber Elbaz — could be transferred to the LVMH stable. But with so many long-established houses searching for new talent, even with the might of Dior, a speedy choice will not be easy.

              EDIT - and apologizes:

              British designer John Galliano is to stand trial for allegedly making anti-Semitic comments in Paris last week, French prosecutors have said.


              John Galliano apologises for outburst

              John Galliano worked for fashion house Dior for 15 years. Fashion designer John Galliano has apologised "unreservedly" after allegedly making anti-Semitic comments in Paris last week.

              The 50-year-old said racism "has no part in society" and claimed he was subjected to an "unprovoked assault".

              He added he has started proceedings for defamation.

              Galliano was sacked by fashion house Dior after they saw a video clip in which he was shown telling two women in a cafe: "I love Hitler."

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              • galia
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2009
                • 1719

                #37
                Originally posted by Faust View Post
                The media circus is irrelevant. He said what he said, and what he said was not only despicable but illegal. No two ways about it. There is a line not to be crossed, and he crossed it. It's one thing to call someone a "kike," and another thing to express a wish that all Jews were gassed.
                why not? he didn't say it in a public statement, he didn't advocate it with any authority.
                I still think you should have the right to express whatever sick opinions you want in the context of a fucking private conversation in a cafe. if he had not been famous he would just have had his ass kicked, if that... I hear shit like that all the time from drunks, and they usually don't mean it and some of them are even jewish. they just say that because they know they'll get a reaction.
                whetever you feel about the content, the fact is that it is media scapegoating, galliano has personally nothing to do with the holocaust, and the whole thing is just blowing way out of proportion.

                however France doesn't really have freedom of speech, so...

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                • thehouseofdis
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 696

                  #38
                  I do think there is a difference between stating an option in public, like your views on politics and religion, and directing verbally abusive and hateful words towards people or strangers. The kinds of things he's apparently said were more than opinions, they verged on being threats. I'm sure if the roles were reversed and they were aimed at him for being gay (another target of the National Socialist Party) there would be an uproar about that. In the US it would be labeled a hate crime.
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                  • MASUGNEN
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 387

                    #39
                    He'll »go through rehab«, make yet another poodel, then return to fashion (the question is where and in what capacity). His talent isn't dispensable.

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                    • casem
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 2590

                      #40
                      Exactly, if it wasn't for the media circus, it wouldn't be an issue.

                      Originally posted by galia View Post
                      why not? he didn't say it in a public statement, he didn't advocate it with any authority.
                      I still think you should have the right to express whatever sick opinions you want in the context of a fucking private conversation in a cafe. if he had not been famous he would just have had his ass kicked, if that... I hear shit like that all the time from drunks, and they usually don't mean it and some of them are even jewish. they just say that because they know they'll get a reaction.
                      whetever you feel about the content, the fact is that it is media scapegoating, galliano has personally nothing to do with the holocaust, and the whole thing is just blowing way out of proportion.

                      however France doesn't really have freedom of speech, so...
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                      • ironman
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 829

                        #41
                        is the only video available the roughly 37 seconds version where it basically starts with Galliano saying he loves Hitler?

                        i want to know what preceded it. i am curious to hear what the people recording it were saying to provoke him

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                        • MASUGNEN
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 387

                          #42
                          Probably there are other, internal reasons. Otherwise LVMH would have put him in quarantine for a while, to cool things down.
                          Last edited by MASUGNEN; 03-02-2011, 12:32 PM.

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                          • sam_tem
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 650

                            #43
                            meanwhile, the US supreme court just upheld the right for people to hold anti-gay protests at military funerals which include yelling "god hates fags" and "thank god for dead soldiers" all in the immediate vicinity of people burying their children.

                            looks like free speech means different things in different countries.


                            EDIT: i was wrong here, apparently there is a distance clause or something of the sort where they can't be a noticeable disturbance within the vicinity, but it's not like a certain distance changes the intent or grief caused
                            Last edited by sam_tem; 03-02-2011, 03:45 PM.

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                            • zamb
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 5834

                              #44
                              Originally posted by galia View Post
                              why not? he didn't say it in a public statement, he didn't advocate it with any authority.
                              I still think you should have the right to express whatever sick opinions you want in the context of a fucking private conversation in a cafe. if he had not been famous he would just have had his ass kicked, if that... I hear shit like that all the time from drunks, and they usually don't mean it and some of them are even Jewish. they just say that because they know they'll get a reaction.
                              whetever you feel about the content, the fact is that it is media scapegoating, galliano has personally nothing to do with the holocaust, and the whole thing is just blowing way out of proportion.

                              however France doesn't really have freedom of speech, so...
                              .

                              well, I have stayed out of this and not take sides because its sad to see him in this position.
                              however, it baffles me how people can say "oh, its free speech"

                              that to me is ridiculous, whether in public or in private, hurtful and violent sentiments ought to be kept in check, freedom of speech doesn't give any of us the right to express hateful and violent sentiments to others, whether that's in public or private.
                              Freedom is bound up together with responsibility and anyone who has a brain must realize that these two cannot be divorced from each other without there being disastrous consequences............

                              I wish he wasn't fired, but a man has to bear the responsibility of his actions.

                              Also your idea about had he not been famous might be right, but the fact is, he IS famous, and those who are blessed to be famous and wealthy in this life need to understand that they have a greater responsibility than the average person to be sensitive and respectful, because their words and actions do have a greater impact on the wider society..........................or they should at least be selfish enough to realize that they have a lot more to lose in recklessness than the average man in the street.
                              Last edited by zamb; 03-02-2011, 02:24 PM.
                              “You know,” he says, with a resilient smile, “it is a hard world for poets.”
                              .................................................. .......................


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                              • zamb
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 5834

                                #45
                                Originally posted by sam_tem View Post
                                meanwhile, the US supreme court just upheld the right for people to hold anti-gay protests at military funerals which include yelling "god hates fags" and "thank god for dead soldiers" all in the immediate vicinity of people burying their children.

                                looks like free speech means different things in different countries.
                                these things happen because we have some really stupid people in high places who take on some really absurd positions if only to remain relevant.
                                I wish no evil for no one, but any day someone gets a gun and decides enough is enough, I bet everyone will get some sanity over at that so called "Church".................I certainly don't look forward to such a day
                                “You know,” he says, with a resilient smile, “it is a hard world for poets.”
                                .................................................. .......................


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