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  • Fade to Black
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 5340

    #16
    ^ haven't commented till now, but that was a good one, Faust.



    Not so much "writing," but an interview between John Yau and painter Bill Jensen. A solid read for those interested in art.
    www.matthewhk.net

    let me show you a few thangs

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    • Faust
      kitsch killer
      • Sep 2006
      • 37849

      #17
      Generation Sell: Hipsters as Cultural Movement

      I would like to know what you think about the above article? I found it interesting, and I agree on some points, not sure about others. More soon.
      Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

      StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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      • lowrey
        ventiundici
        • Dec 2006
        • 8383

        #18
        Some valid observations, and I do agree that this generation is very entrepreneurial, but obviously not all of it. The way it was linked with the entire generation was a bit vague.

        Also, social background was entirely overlooked and it plays a big role. This is of course generalizing, but I would imagine many of the types described here come from middle class families who (well, until recently I suppose) have had more wealth than the families of those kids who were hippies, punks or whatever, and this has had an effect on their views on life and interests and also in being entrepreneurial.
        "AVANT GUARDE HIGHEST FASHION. NOW NOW this is it people, these are the brands no one fucking knows and people are like WTF. they do everything by hand in their freaking secret basement and shit."

        STYLEZEITGEIST MAGAZINE | BLOG

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        • galia
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 1702

          #19
          A lot of hippies were rich brats. Punks were more working class/lower middle class, generally speaking.
          I thought the interesting point of the article was the disappearence of rebellion because of the stifling emotional comfort of the world we live in.

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          • Faust
            kitsch killer
            • Sep 2006
            • 37849

            #20
            /\ Yes, that's the bit I found interesting. The idea that commerce trumps criticism. There is something to it - art criticism became irrelevant just when the art world became an art industry in the 80s. Same with fashion.

            Another bit I found interesting in the article is that making money and being cool have become confluent. Cool has become a huge commodity. A number of social critics, like Naomi Klein and Frank Rich have commented on that.

            And the rise of bobos seemed fitting. This is the hipster market essentially - people that make money but don't want to live a soccer mom lifestyle. Although I don't exactly know what Bohemian about them is - going to brunches in the williamsburgs of the world and buying artisanal honey?
            Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

            StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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            • lowrey
              ventiundici
              • Dec 2006
              • 8383

              #21
              There is less to be angry about so kids can focus on wearing cardigans and drinking tea
              "AVANT GUARDE HIGHEST FASHION. NOW NOW this is it people, these are the brands no one fucking knows and people are like WTF. they do everything by hand in their freaking secret basement and shit."

              STYLEZEITGEIST MAGAZINE | BLOG

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              • galia
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2009
                • 1702

                #22
                There is a lot to be angry about, but it's hard to be angry when you are well fed and wear ugg boots. Excessive comfort is the golden cage, but it's bound to become just as stifling as 50's/60's americen suburbia soon enough. Just wait until the hipsters have kids, it'll happen

                it's also hard to be a young rebel when all the adults idolize the rebellion of youth. Rebellion and anger is approved of by the parents, so whatever the kids do, it's not real rebellion since it's what's expexted. This is especially true in France with the mythology of May 68

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                • michael_kard
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 2152

                  #23
                  So is hipster a subculture in the same way punk and hippie culture were? It doesn't feel that way to me, given its wide appeal and accessibility. For me, it's almost like saying being young and having a bad sense of style is a subculture, seeing how 99% of my city are aspiring hipsters.
                  ENDYMA / Archival fashion & Consignment
                  Helmut Lang 1986-2005 | Ann Demeulemeester | Raf Simons | Burberry Prorsum | and more...

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                  • viv1984viv
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 194

                    #24
                    Originally posted by michael_kard View Post
                    So is hipster a subculture in the same way punk and hippie culture were?
                    no not at all, infact I read it as being almost a polar opposite manifestation of historically outlined 'youth cultures'

                    Just to throw something else into the pan, I think there is a massive confluence with sexual capital and hipsterism, wealth, upward mobility etc... sex drives, and so this aspect of wanting, reflexively to be 'sexy' is a massive motivating factor for hipsterism - totally different to slacker/hippie/punk dynamics.

                    Hipster culture seems to be less about counter culture and more about an aggressively youthful iteration of sunday magazine aspirations.
                    Notes from the Vomitorium - The Nerve Of It -

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                    • Faust
                      kitsch killer
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 37849

                      #25
                      I think it's more about the acceptance of rebellion into the mainstream. Rebellion is no longer relevant, because it's quickly absorbed, monetized and rendered toothless. Kurt Cobain was probably the first major cultural figure to understand this very well.
                      Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

                      StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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                      • zamb
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 5834

                        #26
                        All things have been liberated,
                        including liberation itself
                        Men are free everywheres
                        Capitalism has triumphed the great communist experiment
                        All beliefs are equal and valid
                        life is meaningless and without purpose

                        be tolerant of all belief systems
                        dialogue is the great answer to human cooperation

                        fit in
                        be a face in the crowd
                        eclecticism is the new ointment..........

                        rail not against anything
                        rail not against anything
                        because all are equal
                        and no child will be left behind........
                        “You know,” he says, with a resilient smile, “it is a hard world for poets.”
                        .................................................. .......................


                        Zam Barrett Spring 2017 Now in stock

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                        • zamb
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 5834

                          #27
                          I am a lover of learning but a skeptic of schools
                          “You know,” he says, with a resilient smile, “it is a hard world for poets.”
                          .................................................. .......................


                          Zam Barrett Spring 2017 Now in stock

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                          • Faust
                            kitsch killer
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 37849

                            #28
                            /\ hahaha, very zeitgeist (the badass part)
                            Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

                            StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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                            • t-bone
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 438

                              #29
                              Wasn't sure where to put this but writing worth reading is writing worth supporting as well, right?

                              My friend runs Primary Information, a non-profit press for small-run printing of artists books, and they are doing an artists writing program for 2012 for which there is a Kickstarter campaign. The incentives are really amazing and I think should appeal to a lot of the SZ crowd so I thought I'd post it here:



                              And you can see their past works and info about them here:



                              They're most of the way there but there's only a few days left. Check it out!

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                              • MJRH
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 418

                                #30
                                Malcolm Gladwell's archive

                                What Tea Partiers Really Want, by Jonathan Haidt.

                                To understand the anger of the tea-party movement, just imagine how you would feel if you learned that government physicists were building a particle accelerator that might, as a side effect of its experiments, nullify the law of gravity. Everything around us would float away, and the Earth itself would break apart. Now, instead of that scenario, suppose you learned that politicians were devising policies that might, as a side effect of their enactment, nullify the law of karma. Bad deeds would no longer lead to bad outcomes, and the fragile moral order of our nation would break apart. For tea partiers, this scenario is not science fiction. It is the last 80 years of American history.

                                One of the biggest disagreements between the political left and right is their conflicting notions of fairness. Across many surveys and experiments, we find that liberals think about fairness in terms of equality, whereas conservatives think of it in terms of karma. In our survey for YourMorals.org, we asked Americans how much they agreed with a variety of statements about fairness and liberty, including this one: "Ideally, everyone in society would end up with roughly the same amount of money." Liberals were evenly divided on it, but conservatives and libertarians firmly rejected it.
                                A compelling definition of conservatism. Living in a rather liberal city, it's a breath of fresh air to see the psychological motivations behind it so fairly explained, instead of being reduced to religious and political brainwashing.
                                ain't no beauty queens in this locality

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