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    Quote Originally Posted by Patroklus View Post
    Aside from eight hours of restful sleep, is there any cure for my heroin chic/Uncle Fester/domestic abuse eye bags?
    Sleep, oxygen... if they are black circles around your eyes, try cover them up with Dermablend, that shit covers even tattoos. I use it daily on mine (I look like a vampire without). For puffyness/eye bags you can try the old fashioned cucumber or tea bag treatment once in awhile.. but if you want a pretty good and fresh feeling eye cream, try Vichy's ice stick. It at least feels really good and it seems to work for me on, ahem, heavy mornings.

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    I have a fairly simple routine these days, as I rarely wear much make-up during the week.
    I use Cetaphil Daily Facial Cleanser, then Jurlique Rosewater Balancing Mist. My moisturiser is Embryolisse Lait-Crème Concentré. Once every few weeks I have a mud mask: I have been using Ahava Advanced Mud Masque for the last five years, really recommend it.

    In terms of make-up, if any, I wear: Estee Lauder Pure Finish Mineral Tinted Moisturiser or Chanel Pro Lumiere (both have SPF 15). I tend to use eye-lash curlers every day - Shu Uemura. My mascaras are either Chanel or YSL Faux Cils (not clumpy, great effect). Favourite everyday lipstick is Chanel Rouge Coco in "Mademoiselle".

    In the summer I use Shiseido Urban Environment UV Protection Cream (SPF 50).
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    dane, i dose at .5%
    what is Paula's Choice Mattifying Serum? i assume its a base to keep away shine... didnt realize a serum can do that.

    flux, i have the same tub of dermablend from eons ago, it is TRULY the best cover up out there, but do you find it drying at all? i have found that under my eyes it dries to peeling levels so i only use it for blemishes. the added bonus is it will get rid of a blemish overnight. love the stuff for that reason alone.

    i use bobbi brown under eye corrector and concealer on occasion. i have heard good things about laura mercier too, but it creased on my skin.

    cetaphil is another great product. thanks seasonofmist, i forgot about that staple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    things like lavender and peppermint are far too common in skincare and only do harm.
    how so ?
    while they don't go near my face i gravitate toward both when it comes to bath / shower soaps and indulgences ......

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    dane, you can take this and give more insight... but i would have to say that the suns harmful rays, while not as strong as in the warmer months, are still seeping through the atmosphere even though the air is colder. yes, the sun is farther away in winter, but especially with a thinner ozone, its more important to protect the epidermis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rider View Post
    dane, i dose at .5%
    what is Paula's Choice Mattifying Serum? i assume its a base to keep away shine... didnt realize a serum can do that.

    cetaphil is another great product. thanks seasonofmist, i forgot about that staple.
    It just has some silica or some absorbent in it...doesn't do anything magical (try Makeup Forever's HD powder for that).

    Quote Originally Posted by severin View Post
    how so ?
    while they don't go near my face i gravitate toward both when it comes to bath / shower soaps and indulgences ......
    This explains it better than I can. Gives the good & bad...it's just that the bad outweighs the good.

    http://www.futurederm.com/2009/07/13...friend-or-foe/

    Quote Originally Posted by rilu View Post
    Can somebody give some info on why sunscreens are important throughout the year, when there is hardly any exposure to the sun? I see so many of you have written you use these daily, while I tend to care about the sunscreen only when I go on holidays and plan on sitting outside whole day long. I just looked a bit online and I see there are studies showing sunscreen to be an efficacious component in anti-aging creams, but I am just wondering what precisely is the effect of sun on the skin during the winter cloudy days. I've just looked for studies about these effects because I am curious about the issue, but I can't find any.
    Sun exposure and UV exposure are two differnt things...even when indoors, when it's cloudy, and in winter there are harmful UV rays causing damage to your skin. UVA is what causes sun damage (wrinkles, cancer, etc.), UVB is what gives you a sunburn. UVA damage is considered to be the primary cause of all skin damage.

    Here's a brief (and probably better than mine) explanation...lots of good info on this site:

    http://www.futurederm.com/2008/05/13...er-for-longer/
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    for me it's more of a "just in case", since I can get a sunburn on my nose after half an hour of exposue to mild sunshine. being super pale sucks.

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    Two peaople are born with exactly the same skin (normal skin). At the age of 18, one is starting to use skin products everyday and the other one only use water for cleaning.
    Which one end up having the best looking skin at the age of 70?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johngd View Post
    Two peaople are born with exactly the same skin (normal skin). At the age of 18, one is starting to use skin products everyday and the other one only use water for cleaning.
    Which one end up having the best looking skin at the age of 70?
    The one who stays out of the sun.
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    If both stays out of the sun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johngd View Post
    If both stays out of the sun?
    Lots of factors involved...but generally speaking, the one who used skincare products would end up having healthier skin. In order for skin cells to properly regenerate, debris and dead skin needs to be washed away through cleansing and exfoliation. Throw in normal occurences like acne, dry skin, bacteria formed through sweat, etc., and someone only using water will no doubt have many more issues to deal with.

    Let's put it this way - change your circumstance and instead of face we talk body - one using skincare, the other not...which do you think would have the best looking skin at 70?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rider View Post
    flux, i have the same tub of dermablend from eons ago, it is TRULY the best cover up out there, but do you find it drying at all? i have found that under my eyes it dries to peeling levels so i only use it for blemishes. the added bonus is it will get rid of a blemish overnight. love the stuff for that reason alone.
    Not really, mine is a bit "oily" somehow, perhaps a different type of Dermablend? However, I have had it for years now and maybe it has dried a little bit over the years in the container. But.. I use the Argan oil under my eyes because they get so dry after showering (damn dry skin..), so mixed with that it gets a bit more moist. I have not noticed that it would take away any blemishes overnight because I always wash all my make-up off for the night. I would think the other way, leaving make-up overnight would cause more pimples.. hahah. But go figure. :)

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    You need sun protection if you're in the sun, otherwise of not. UV doesn't really penetrate glass or acrylic glass. One of the other rules of thumb rules is 10-15 min of sun (without protection) is considered no problem for a normal skin type (really careful: red hair, albinos). In fact we humans even need UV light to produce vitamin D, and if you go into the sun you have to supplement it.

    Evolution adapted us to water and not 5+ skin products, that is just an invention of big pharma to make money with overpriced basic (often worthless) chemicals. Our skin regenerates itself, there is a reason why we loose hair and danders naturally and all the time = overturn to keep itself healthy.

    The skin is a horribly dry microenvironment which makes it extremely difficult for harmful bacteria and especially fungi to grow, and most of the bacteria which can be found there are actually considered "good" for us, because they are harmless and additionally consume most of the scarcely present nutrients which makes it even more difficult for evil microorganisms to grow there. So no need to do anything against them!

    btw. acne is mainly defined by the skin type, and there is not much you can do besides antibiotic treatment (permanent I mean). The permanent changes that occur are based on physiological changes of the human body and skin (=puberty).

    In my opinion something like 2 products are sufficient, like replenish lost lipids of the skin "dry skin" (nothing petrol based to think about the environment) and something to protect your hands against detergents "often wash hands dryness".

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    I knew the conversation was going to go in this direction...people spewing out what "nature has given us" vs. what has been scientifically proven. If anyone cared to do the research, there are mountains of studies performed by independently funded organizations that have no affiliation with government or pharmaceutical companies. But I guess reading is too much to ask for in these parts.

    When you all live with, or know someone who's suffering from skin cancer or melanoma, then maybe you'll trust your doctor instead of conspiracy theories.

    Back to the fragrance thread with me...
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    Ökotest and Stiftung Warentest are good sources indeed (consumer orientented)

    btw based on my knowledge my statements were scientifically correct, if you can point me to actual peer review publications that show other results I will consider them (Lancet, NEJM..).
    I haven't said UV can't cause cancer, but as always in biology it's a matter of the dosage! Normal skin types can cope with some amount but if you overdo it UV can cause cancer. Same with smoking, it's bad no doubt, you increase your risk (if you don't stop until 30), but nevertheless it's not the case that everybody who smokes ends up with cancer...

    And there is no dermatologist (to my knowledge) who says you have to buy 5+ products of pharma and beauty companies. It always depends on your skin and your problems/symptoms, then he suggests some products and you have to test them to see if they are actually good for you...

    Generally I would say:
    -Washing: yes! water or (mild!) detergent, why not multiple times a day if you feel "dirty"/sweaty? but please no makeup on sweat
    -use a re-oiling solution to compensate loss of lipids because of the washing, should contain no perfumes because of potential irritation of the skin and allergies (even if you have no known allergies they can develop in later stages in life so why risk it)
    -if you have to wash your hands quite often use some kind of barrier creme to prevent lipid loss

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    Sunscreen

    I've been told or read a lot of contradicting things about sunscreen - one thing in particular is that sunscreen with SPF > 35 is unnecessary.

    I happen to work for months - and once two years - at 3500 meters, near-ish to the equator. Related to that, I was once sent to a dermatologist to get checked out for leprosy (TMI?!). I used the only appt I've ever had with a dermatologist to ask how to deal with all the annoying skin ailments I deal with. (She was pretty good - she took one look at my hands, which are very dry and creased and was able to tell that both eczema and hay fever run in my family. And yes, I am close to having the first and turned into a definite on the latter as of the last five years. Has anyone else here ever grown into or out of an allergy?)

    The doctor told me never to go back to my field site without Neutrogena sun screen with 70+ SPF. (I *did* come back from 2 years in the field with *a lot* of freckles.)

    Question: is there a high SPF sunscreen that doesn't feel and smell shitty on the face? This little detail has kept me from following those directions far too many times.

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    Facial cleaning stuff/reviews

    I really enjoy cleaning my face so I'll describe it here. Generally, I use whatever free stuff I've been given that year. For years, I'd been living off little jars of ReVive moisturizer (Moisturizing Renewal for night, Sensitif w/ 15 SPF for day), Shu Uemura toner, Face Sugar Scrub or Kiehls Dermotology Series for exfoliation stuff. I've been using Shu Uemura cleansing oil since university. At night, the dry Chicago air makes my skin feel miserable, so I use Revive Volumizing Serum. (My samples have lasted until I need to get new ones - I think the stuff is like $600 an ounce otherwise. Booooo. And stupid?)

    This year, I got a bag of La Mer samples. What I've tried thus far is ok to very good, though I don't understand what the big deal is around their moisturizer. You're suppose to rub the stuff vigorously between your palms to release some suspended super secret "juice." The problem is that it doesn't feel especially great on my skin, but I do like their serum. I also splurged and bought a bottle of something called The Concentrate from La Mer only because my skin feels great in the morning when I put it on at night.

    Now, I'm going through the bajillion or so little packs of Aesop samples I was given recently. I've just started. What little I've tried is good to really good although perhaps too expensive for merely "good" and fine. It's not as deeply moisturizing as I need, and one or two things I sampled -- in particular, "Fabulous Face Oil" -- smelled like the co-op where my family shopped when I was a kid. The one where you could buy salt licks for your cows. (No, not a good smell.)

    That said, the things by Aesop that smell good smell amazing (especially one of their oils diffused over a candle.) Ultimately, aroma-therapeutic potential is not what I care about most, if at all, where skin care is involved. (Minimal and thoughtful packaging on the other hand...I will admit to being a sucker.) My favorite item in their product line, and also a "best-in-class," is a Rosehip Seed Lip Balm that comes in a squeezable tube. (I've tried many: Jo Malone, Natura Bisse, Revive, Pangaeia Organics, Kiehls, Burts Bees to give a few. Aesop is my clear favorite of those.) At $13 with free shipping from Barneys, it's also affordable.

    I'm trying a Vitamin C exfoliating scrub that I bought from a Russian facialist only because we talked about Russian film throughout the treatment. (It was the 3rd facial I've had in my life!) Question: is Vitamin C important/good for skin?

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    apologies in advance for the length - and so early in the year!

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    Serge Lutens: the only makeup I've ever cared for, aside from the band.

    Being continuously sleep deprived I *am* getting dark circles under my eyes. I've never worn much makeup save eyeliner. If I bought makeup, it was always on a whim, and I never did much with any of it but "play" on occasion. Recently, though, my Serge Lutens guy showed me the (newly available in the states) SL makeup line, and I am now bonkers over it. I mean, I threw away much of what I've accumulated over half a lifetime of "playing" with makeup, and I replaced it all with a small kit that covers nearly all the makeup I could possibly need.

    Here it my set with what I consider a reasonable object to use for size comparisons around these parts -- an Ann feather necklace for scale:

    (L to R: two water based lip tints, lipstick, Quant-a-Soi makeup base for dark circles/blemishes, potted kohl liner w/ application pen with two tip shapes, finishing powder that I sometimes use in place of foundation, the only eye color palette offered in the SL line.)




    What I love about his line is its thoughtful packaging and the confidence and decisiveness with which he edited the offerings. (A little bit of control freak there?) There is only one blush color for example, one set of colors for the eyes and only one kohl eyeliner in a pot.

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    Lipstick/lipstain

    The water-based lip tints were extraneous purchases for me, but I don't usually wear lipstick so I felt that they could serve as a reasonable compromise. You can wear the water-based lip tint alone or layer it under or over the lipstick, in my case to change it from red-red to a red-orange or a berry red similar to Chanel's Vamp. Modular.

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    Foundation

    I hate liquid foundation, and there no detestable liquid foundation to be found in this line. With that alone, he wins. You use the quant-a-soi base, whose texture and feel is magnificent, under the eye and to cover blemishes. You then brush and "set" the powder foundation over it. It stays in place all day - no fuss whatsoever, and most important to me, you can't feel it. (If you like, you can get the finishing powder for touch ups - I did get it because I hate the idea of touching up with more foundation.)

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    Money/the buzzkill/what is best to buy first? how to get the most for least?

    It's not cheap: if you bought an "essential" set, as refills where they're available (foundation powder, lipstick, makeup base, eye palette which only comes with the compact, kohl liner), it would cost around $500 w/ tax. (Based on how much I actually wear makeup, most of it would last one to three years before I have to replace something, which is awesome.) For what I think are the must-haves of the line (kohl, foundation powder, quant a soi makeup base), I estimate you'd pay ~ $230 + tax. It was worth it for me to get rid of the little things I've accumulated over the years and to replace it with a perfectly curated and minimal set -- or that's how I justified the (still mind-numbingly painful) cost.

    The eyeshadow and foundation compacts, as well as the lipstick, are refillable. The also don't appear to scratch. Since I don't touch up with more foundation, and thus don't need to carry it around, I bought the foundation powder as a refill (sans compact) to save $$$.

    The line is sold only at Barneys in the US. The guy I go to is one of the top SL experts in the US - PM if you want his email address. He'll definitely take care of you where fragrance/color samples are concerned, get your colors right, work with your budget, etc.

    And no, I don't get free Serge makeup (I wish!) I am a true fan girl and my enthusiasm overflow-th, per usual. It seems obvious if you're going to pay that much for anything, you should be talking to the best there is - i.e., my guy - for advice. Also, someone recently told me of a really disappointing, lackluster experience at the SL counter/Barneys NYC. Not at those prices you shouldn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetroBulotDodo View Post
    Has anyone else here ever grown into or out of an allergy?
    Well my hay fever got better after puberty (without allergen-desensitising); sometime between the age of 18 and 24 I developed a light cat hair allergy; college of mine extreme form against mice remains; my grandpa against platinum… a lot is possible.
    General theory is that exposure with allergens during childhood (kids eating "dirt") prevents development/predisposition of/for allergies, that is why the number of people with allergies have so rapidly exploded in the century of the "clean" cities.

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    I *did* come back from 2 years in the field with *a lot* of freckles.
    Sunscreen only blocks the UV spectrum, you still get exposed to high doses of visible light and certain skin types react in that way (possible solution: burka )

    Quote Originally Posted by MetroBulotDodo View Post
    Question: is Vitamin C important/good for skin?
    "Ascorbic Acid was a photoprotectant when applied to mice and pig skin before exposure to ultraviolet (UV) radiation. The inhibition of UV-induced suppression of contact hypersensitivity was also noted" (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16154915)

    Meaning = like sunscreen; in any other way? Nope.
    Vitamin C has a function as an antioxidant, but obviously only in cells that are alive (meaning you have to take it up via the food). The skin has a nice layer of dead cells (epidermis) and they prevent penetration from the outside, which makes sense because other bacteria, microorganisms, and toxins could enter as well…
    Btw. vitamin C is nothing special that you have to take actively in masses (like Linus Pauling suggested) since it's very widely used as a food preservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetroBulotDodo View Post
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    Has anyone else here ever grown into or out of an allergy?
    yes. There's a school of thought that your immune system will overhaul every 7-11 years, and you may acquire or lose an allergy (or multiple ones).

    my body has worked on an approximate 9 years schedule. at 18 I was diagnosed with celiac disease (having never had a problem with gluten before in my life.. I dropped 20 pounds out of NOWHERE).

    I also acquired allergies to several preservatives and synthetic chemicals- any sulphites in foods, MSG, SLS in shampoos/soaps. I am also no longer able to wear silver or eat milk proteins (casein/whey).

    conversely, I lost my nickel allergy, seasonal allergies (pollen/hay fever no longer destroys my life from march to september) and an allergy to watermelon.

    I seem to recall a similar thing happening to me when I was 9-10 (allergy shift), but I couldn't tell you what specific allergies I had.. Just that I had to go to an allergy specialist for 6 months.

    our bodies do very strange things.

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