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  • Faust
    kitsch killer
    • Sep 2006
    • 37852

    #31
    Originally posted by deltapie View Post
    Good article.

    Really makes me wonder who will be the next "rockstars" once hip-hop goes the same route as rock did. EDM producers? lol.
    It's exactly where it's heading. They will be the new rappers and they are already embracing the avant garde. (by which they mean Rick Owens).
    Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

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    • apathy!
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2014
      • 393

      #32
      ^ actually I don't think that someone who produces music but doesn't sing/rap to their audience can be made in to an icon in the same way Kanye or Bowie can.


      There's just a lot less to relate to for the average person. Maybe time will tell, though.

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      • Faust
        kitsch killer
        • Sep 2006
        • 37852

        #33
        I'd say Skrillex is a bonafide star. It's an interesting genre with a tremendous following among the young.

        Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

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        • apathy!
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2014
          • 393

          #34
          Damn. I just read that New Yorker.

          Yeah, it's pretty obvious at this point that EDM (whatever that means) producers are making it big. What I'm saying is that the audience/performer relationship is actually quite different with these artists compared to more traditional musicians.

          If you go to a rock concert, you feel like you're listening to the lead singer. If you go to an electronic concert, you listen to the speakers.

          A crude way of putting my point but i think you get what I'm trying to say.


          edit: Just after typing this I think of an example of a dj who's fashion has influenced others. So I don't know why I find this idea of producers as icons so strange.

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          • Lois Grüveltner
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2010
            • 204

            #35
            /\ EDM means "Electronic Dance Music"

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            • Faust
              kitsch killer
              • Sep 2006
              • 37852

              #36
              Originally posted by apathy! View Post
              Damn. I just read that New Yorker.

              Yeah, it's pretty obvious at this point that EDM (whatever that means) producers are making it big. What I'm saying is that the audience/performer relationship is actually quite different with these artists compared to more traditional musicians.

              If you go to a rock concert, you feel like you're listening to the lead singer. If you go to an electronic concert, you listen to the speakers.

              A crude way of putting my point but i think you get what I'm trying to say.


              edit: Just after typing this I think of an example of a dj who's fashion has influenced others. So I don't know why I find this idea of producers as icons so strange.
              No idea!

              Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

              StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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              • apathy!
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2014
                • 393

                #37
                Originally posted by Lois Grüveltner View Post
                /\ EDM means "Electronic Dance Music"
                I know what the acronym stands for but it's a ridiculously nebulous definition.

                Originally posted by Faust View Post
                No idea!
                I'll condense what I was trying to say as much as possible: rapper/rock stars talk to their audience and producers/djs don't. Hence, the relationship is weaker.

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                • DudleyGray
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2013
                  • 1143

                  #38
                  Originally posted by apathy! View Post
                  I'll condense what I was trying to say as much as possible: rapper/rock stars talk to their audience and producers/djs don't. Hence, the relationship is weaker.
                  In that sense, I think the rap star has more power than most other musicians. The average black guy rap fan I'll bet doesn't feel that he has much of a voice in society or is properly represented, so I think the way that rap resonates with him is different from how rock resonates with most people anymore. But back in the day, Black Flag did that once for sort of marginalized white kids.

                  I think DJs/producers can now connect to their audience in ways that previous musicians couldn't, through social media. Maybe more of a personal connection than a 'leader of a movement' type connection.
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                  • Faust
                    kitsch killer
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 37852

                    #39
                    /\ You talk about hip-hop as if we are still in the 90s. Come on, every other privileged white girl from the burbs shakes her ass in da club to hip-hop.
                    Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

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                    • DudleyGray
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 1143

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Faust View Post
                      /\ You talk about hip-hop as if we are still in the 90s. Come on, every other privileged white girl from the burbs shakes her ass in da club to hip-hop.
                      Privileged white girls did that in the 90s, too, but I'm not complaining. Regardless of who enjoys it at the surface level, though, I think there's a different connection going on between a marginalized black guy and his favorite rapper vs. a suburban white guy and his favorite rapper, not that the latter is less valid. That class struggle gives rap a certain edge in rebellion compared to rock, in my opinion.
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                      • Faust
                        kitsch killer
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 37852

                        #41
                        Again, I think you are largely stuck in the 90s. Come to New York and see who drives fashion now, especially high-end streetwear - it's the young black kids. Hood by Air is no accident.
                        Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

                        StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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                        • DudleyGray
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 1143

                          #42
                          I'm saying it's because of that connection I mention that they are able to rebel with substance, and I think the fashion is a reflection of that. Although with Hood by Air, that gay undercurrent is maybe more interesting today than class/race tension.
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                          • Lois Grüveltner
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 204

                            #43
                            This also sums up where we're headed.. - I mean the internet broke down when this was released (!!)

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                            • guardimp
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 320

                              #44
                              I have no clue what that is a picture of, is this some new porn promotion?

                              From what people in this thread are saying it sounds like music is a monolith, I feel that you are far from the truth. Yes, many rappers make a lot of money but you fail to see huge acts from eras past who still are making fortunes. Yes, rock and metal has decreased in popularity from their peaks but they still are popular to a large portion of the population. EDM is liked by a large segment of the younger people but it has huge issues to work out, one in specific is prerecorded sets. Sure it is great to see a big name dj or producer, but when people pay to see the producer live and the producer just pushes play on a mix it raises questions about authenticity.

                              Same with fashion, while streetwear has become a large portion of the market it is far from taking over. It seems like this is just another example of people cashing in on trends in society. First people marginalize minorities, then they see that they can sell them back their own culture for a hefty profit.

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                              • Lois Grüveltner
                                Senior Member
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 204

                                #45
                                The picture is from when Nicky Minaj's released her single Anaconda and broke down the internet that day. That picture shows very well what it's all about today, in both music and fashion.

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