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    [quote user="matthewhk"]

    I don't feel there is anything particularly insincere about Rei's work, her stuff in recent years seems to exist on a plane of its own and if I remember what I read in an interview with her, she doesn't pay attention to what else goes on in the fashion world so I think she is just churning these collections out almost the way a writer might sit down and produce books through stream of consciousness. I don't even think there's any motive to any of it...it's just there



    But I do think CdG as a corporation has become quite Warholian in the way it's operating...I dunno if Adrian has a big effect on that. My dad made the comment earlier tonight that he felt once Rei hooked up with Adrian the whole brand's gone down the shitter.



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    I find that hard to believe, even when Ann says that. I don't know, I would think that would be pretty hard, no? I know if I was a designer, I would certainly want to take a pulse of the industry at least once in a while.

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    well, given how off kilter and random the timing of some of her collections is, i wouldn't be surprised if it was the truth. Like that Golden Boy collection came out long after metallics were the big thing...

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    That's a great point, Matt. Maybe that is also why Faust finds her inspirations to be rather hackneyed.
    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    And Johnny certainly said that - how else do you interpret his post that I just quoted?!




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    I don't really want to drag this topic up again, but since I feel that I'm being misrepresented and I've been away for a bit, I wanted just to respond to you on this, for whatever it's worth. Please explain to me how the ONLY interpretation that can be given to my saying that, because I like her work generally, I'd like to see what the collaboration looks like,is that I'm saying that everything she touches turns to gold.Serously, I'd like to hear that. It's apparent in what I said that I am not pre-juding what the product will look like (positively or negatively), and in fact that the opposite is the case - that I would like not to pre-judge, but to wait and see. I agree that it is likely to be rubbish, and as I thought you knew, I am as capable as anyone else of critisizing CdGwhen I think it's rubbish (all of the pictures you posted are of rubbish clothes, none of which I'd consider buying), but it seems natural to me to be interested in what the stuff will looklikeexactly becauseit will come from someonewhose work - her body of work and certain of her current work, butnot all of it- I have an interest in, as distinct from a collaboration with someone (V&R etc) whose mainlinework I have no interest in?This seems very uncontroversial and obvious. I also thought you knewme better, and perhaps had a little more respect for me, than to accuse me of fanboism.


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    i bought a pair of lightweight basic straight leg cotton pants from the Homme Plus line this season, it is the first thing i have ever purchased from CdG, nothing too fancy, patch style back pockets and comfortable to walk around in with sneakers. However I'll note that the quality seems to be of an issue, i have found on some shirts some creases on the cuff that clearly wasn't meant to be there. Even the pants i bought, i compared them to a pair of Gap khakis i purchased a few days later and there isn't a significant enough difference in the quality of fabric and construction of the Comme piece to warrant it being touted as a designer item. They were pretty cheap for the Japanese price, but I imagine if i had to pay what they would cost at say, the NYC boutique, no way would i have paid that much for a pair of pants like this.



    If the stuff from the main label collection is already so basic and average, i am having a hard time imagining what the H&M collaboration is going to end up like.


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    [quote user="Johnny"][quote user="Faust"]


    And Johnny certainly said that - how else do you interpret his post that I just quoted?!




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    I don't really want to drag this topic up again, but since I feel that I'm being misrepresented and I've been away for a bit, I wanted just to respond to you on this, for whatever it's worth. Please explain to me how the ONLY interpretation that can be given to my saying that, because I like her work generally, I'd like to see what the collaboration looks like,is that I'm saying that everything she touches turns to gold.Serously, I'd like to hear that. It's apparent in what I said that I am not pre-juding what the product will look like (positively or negatively), and in fact that the opposite is the case - that I would like not to pre-judge, but to wait and see. I agree that it is likely to be rubbish, and as I thought you knew, I am as capable as anyone else of critisizing CdGwhen I think it's rubbish (all of the pictures you posted are of rubbish clothes, none of which I'd consider buying), but it seems natural to me to be interested in what the stuff will looklikeexactly becauseit will come from someonewhose work - her body of work and certain of her current work, butnot all of it- I have an interest in, as distinct from a collaboration with someone (V&R etc) whose mainlinework I have no interest in?This seems very uncontroversial and obvious. I also thought you knewme better, and perhaps had a little more respect for me, than to accuse me of fanboism.



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    I do think that you've pretty much always given her a pass. I know you have criticized her on rare occasions, but I still think that you are biased towards her work. I don't think it's really wrong, actually. We all have our favorites. I just don't see how this possibly can be good. What integrity on Rei's part can there be when H&M will make this stuff in the same sweatshops and from the same fabrics they use in their regular trash? We can wait and see what it looks like and not pre-judge - I just think it's an exercise in futility. Yes, neither of us has a crystal ball, but we have past experience and reasoning, no?



    I also got upset because you equated Ann's recent change of production facilities to this. That was a cheap shot on your part. Anyway, I don't want to stir this debate up any longer. Let's sheathe our swords - I'd rather hear of your time in Tuscany.

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    [quote user="Faust"]I swear I didn't do this. [86]
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    not that i have contributed to this thread, but i have read it. What?!? where did this come from?

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    OK, fess up, ..........talk! "whodunnit"?




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    I don't really read this thread but just though i'd throw in my 2 cents, I am honestly not a fan of cdg I kno she has been designing for a long time but from what i've seen the only on men.style I only took a small interest in fw 05 and select pieces from ss 06. I honestly don't know who buys her mainline clothes it seems all her money must come from the cdg diffusion lines



    i'd be interested in seeing some of her older seasons, anyone have links?


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    I don't really read this thread but just though i'd throw in my 2 cents, I am honestly not a fan of cdg I kno she has been designing for a long time but from what i've seen the only on men.style I only took a small interest in fw 05 and selectpiecesfrom ss 06. I honestlydon't know who buys her mainline clothes it seems all her money must come from the cdg diffusion lines




    i'd be interested in seeing some of her older seasons, anyone have links?




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    Not diffusion lines.. Perfume and other non-clothing related gear. ^^


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    [quote user="what_counts"]

    I don't really read this thread but just though i'd throw in my 2 cents, I am honestly not a fan of cdg I kno she has been designing for a long time but from what i've seen the only on men.style I only took a small interest in fw 05 and select pieces from ss 06. I honestly don't know who buys her mainline clothes it seems all her money must come from the cdg diffusion lines



    i'd be interested in seeing some of her older seasons, anyone have links?



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    There is an excellent 90's CDG thread on the Fashion Spot.

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    k thanks faust i'll head over to tfs tomorrow and check it out

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    In October, 1982, Kawakubo and Yamamoto held their second Paris pret-a-porter show. The style that debuted that year was colorless, rag-like, and full of holes, which promoted shabby clothing. Their collection created a new vocabulary in fashion: the "boro look", the "beggar look", and the "ragged look". The designs expresed a Japanese concept of beauty, the beauty of conscious destitution. Their collection shook up the concept of Western-style clothing, and threw the Parisian fashion world into controversy. The world was so shocked, because Japanese designers had proved that there was a possibility that clothes accepted worldwide could come from cultures other than that of Western Europe.



    Comme des Garcons, 1983 S/S



    Off white cotton jersey blouse with cotton ribbon applique, washed white patchwork dress of sheeting and rayon satin.







    Yohji Yamamoto, 1983 S/S



    White cotton cut-work jacket, dress and pants.



    let us raise a toast to ancient cotton, rotten voile, gloomy silk, slick carf, decayed goat, inflamed ram, sooty nelton, stifling silk, lazy sheep, bone-dry broad & skinny baffalo.

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    High-tech fabric combined with a shape that resembles the crinoline style. The common belief that chemical means artifical is overturned, and the piece makes a soft and warm impression.



    Comme des Garcons 1990 A/W 'Wedding Dress'



    White non-woven fabric one piece dress with ribbon around hem; petticoat in same material.







    An outfith that resembles the bustle, which was a nineteenth century undergarment that put emphasis on the back. Kawakubo is trying to express the dissonance between the body and the outfit



    Comme des Garcons 1995 A/W



    Baby-pink acrylic knit sweater; matching long skirt with embroidery; bustle-like tube sewn to back of skirt; tulle petticoat.



    let us raise a toast to ancient cotton, rotten voile, gloomy silk, slick carf, decayed goat, inflamed ram, sooty nelton, stifling silk, lazy sheep, bone-dry broad & skinny baffalo.

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    Bump. Looking for some iconic CDG images from the 80s/90s. Especially the "Hiroshima chic" ones. Please help! (Also check out the epic Faust/Laika CDG battle).
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    SS88

    93/94



    AW 84/85

    91/92

    90s


    good stuff but can't find a compiliation though...

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    You've seen them before but here's some I posted a while back here Faust.
    let us raise a toast to ancient cotton, rotten voile, gloomy silk, slick carf, decayed goat, inflamed ram, sooty nelton, stifling silk, lazy sheep, bone-dry broad & skinny baffalo.

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    Maybe not what you're looking for Faust, but something for the thread ...







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