The cinema thread

**Fuuma** · 10-05-2006, 10:55 PM

[quote user="mass"]60s and 70s are when most of my favorite films are from, looking forward to the rest of the list! the only film i haven't seen there is last night at marienbad so i will definitely check it out.

faust you should check out the leopard, i think you may like it. actually i don't know if you will since i don't know what your taste is... but it's great and the set/costumes are very epic. it's famous for a ballroom scene butttt there is a scene early in the film that imo is a perfect scene... uhm i don't really know how to describe it but it's right after the war and the camera just goes through all the people sitting still during the ceremony or whatever. god i'm inarticulate. fuuma do you know which scene i'm talking about?

btw there aren't enough american films on your list :D[/quote]

I'm also quite partial to the 60s and 70s...

Definitely check Las year at Marienbad, particularly if you're interested in "nouveau roman", the scenario is by Alain Robbe-Grillet.

I should re-watch the Leopard, haven't seen it in a while, do you mean a scene that comes right after the very animated scene where Tancrede (Delon) participates in active combat?

You're right about the lack of american films, I just noticed there are none in the 60s, gotta say there's a total of 18/100 though....

**Jorge Hache** · 10-06-2006, 03:37 PM

Godard, Antonioni, Fellini, Buñuel, Bergman, Chabrol....the sixties were really an interesting decade defining cinema and redefining it's boundaries, at least 5 of the movies in the list are all time favouritesof mine(an certainly in my beloved dvd's collection), can't wait to see the 70's one, thnx fumma

**Fuuma** · 10-06-2006, 10:41 PM

[quote user="gutpocho"]

Godard, Antonioni, Fellini, Buñuel, Bergman, Chabrol....the sixties were really an interesting decade defining cinema and redefining it's boundaries, at least 5 of the movies in the list are all time favouritesof mine(an certainly in my beloved dvd's collection), can't wait to see the 70's one, thnx fumma

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Glad to see another fan of the list of directors you mentionned. By the way which 5 movies are among your favorites?

Fuuma's top 100 movies: 70s<ul style="margin-top: 0cm" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Get carter/UK/Hodges/1971: Hard hitting hard-boiled action/thriller with Michael Caine who displays serious acting chops<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Aguirre, the wrath of god/Germany/Herzog/1972: Herzog characters are always on the brink of madness as they vainly grasp at something beyond the reach of Man.<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Money Money Money/Aventure c'est l'aventure, L'/France/Lelouch/1972: Very funny film about a bunch of gangsters who take advantage of the 70s political instability to further their monetary interests. Watch out for the Stalin Ferrari jokes.<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Godfather, the /USA/Coppola/1972: Everybody has seen this…<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Magnificent one, the/Magnifique, le/France/DeBroca/1973: The ancestor to all those whacked out spy comedies (see Austin powers). This is a personal favourite but be warned that I like Belmondo in anything, even when he’s over-acting like crazy<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Mother and the whore, the/Maman et la putain, la/France/Eustache/1973: Eustache truly is a children of the new wave and this film about post may 68 relationships is as good as any of the major entries in the new wave canon<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Mad adventures of rabbi Jacob, the/Aventures de rabbi Jacob, les/France/Oury/1973: “Salomon, but you’re a jew!!??” says the main character to his driver, DeFunes is hilarious and this film is a good showcase for his physical brand of humour. Pretty low brow but always hilarious<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Day for night/Nuit américaine, la/France/Truffaut/1973: Truffaut’s love of cinema shines through in this film. I love how all the characters are so enthusiastic about the decidedly mediocre movie they’re making. <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Long goodbye, the/USA/Altman/1973: A classic noir novel meets 70s Californian indolence<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Enter the dragon/USA/Clouse/1973: That’s some kickass kung fu, Bruce Lee can only play Bruce Lee but he does it with so much charisma it doesn’t matter<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Going places/Valseuses, les/France/Blier/1974: The original (French) title is slang for testicles and this road movie about masculinity, youth and all around male anarchistic behaviour spares no one along it’s joyous course. Blier would later make one about the more feminine side of men with “Tenue de soirée”.<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Godfather part II/USA/Coppola/1974: Everybody has also seen this…<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Chinatown/USA/Polanski/1974: Another 70s take on noir, one of the great roles of Nicholson.<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Graveyard of honor/Japan/Fukasaku/1975: Filmed in a gritty, documentary style, this movie presents a character consumed by an inextinguishable lust for (self) destruction. Like many of Fukasaku’s movies the focus is on post WWII Japanese life among the many individuals destabilized by that period. <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Taxi driver/USA/Scorsese/1976: Shots of the city at night are impressive. This movie makes you think about what we, as viewers, are really asking for when we want the main character to give us the “pay off”.<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Annie Hall/USA/Allen/1977: The quintessential Allen movie, it’s hard not to love Annie Hall[/list]

**dontbecruel** · 10-07-2006, 05:35 AM

I love Altman but I especially LOVE the Long Goodbye. Particularly for the crazy experimental sound recording and the way the theme song reappears in different guises everywhere Marlow goes.

Great choice! Most people pick McCabe and Mrs Miller or Nashville, which are both amazing but...

**mass** · 10-07-2006, 06:48 AM

i'd probably go with 3 women.

**dontbecruel** · 10-07-2006, 08:57 AM

[quote user="mass"]i'd probably go with 3 women.[/quote]

I'm crazy about that one too. He made so many fascinating films in the 70s. What about that gambling one, Brewster McCloud, or whatever it's called, or Buffalo Bill and the Indians, or A wedding? And they're just his minor films!

**Jorge Hache** · 10-07-2006, 03:13 PM

Hi Fumma

Of your 60's list i love BreathlessBand of outsidersBlow-upBelle de jourOnce upon a time in the west

La dolce vita is a great movie also

**Fuuma** · 10-08-2006, 08:50 PM

[quote user="gutpocho"]

Hi Fumma

Of your 60's list i love BreathlessBand of outsidersBlow-upBelle de jourOnce upon a time in the west

La dolce vita is a great movie also

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Nice.

**Fuuma** · 10-08-2006, 08:57 PM

Fuuma's top 100 movies: 80s<ul style="margin-top: 0cm" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Choice of arms/Choix des armes, le/France/Corneau/1981: Classic post ww2 French gangster (Montand) meets the new breed of 80s disenfranchised small time street thug (Depardieu). Corneau manages to make a film that is both a confrontation between two genres of filmmaking/characters and a compelling story with well developed protagonists<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Under suspicion/Garde à vue/France/Miller/1981: Intimist drama between a tough cop (Ventura) and a disenchanted bourgeois suspect (Serrault)<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Clean slate/Coup de torchon/France/Tavernier/1981: An American noir novel transposed to the French African colonies and masterfully directed by Tavernier. Violence and evil was never this banal and friendly<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Knock on wood/Chèvre, la/France/Veber/1981: Hilarious buddy film where Depardieu plays straight man to funnyman Richard’s pathetically unlucky looser.<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">My dinner with Andre/USA/Malle/1981: Just two guys talking during a restaurant meal, doesn’t sound like much but you’ll be impressed. <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Blade runner/USA/Scott/1982: Thought provoking, visually impressive and aiming at making us think about the actual world we live in, this is sci-fi at its best.<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">To our loves/À nos amours/France/Pialat/1983: Pialat’s cinematic style is a mixture of documentary realism tampered by a painter’s eye. This is now available on DVD (criterion) and the extras really give an insight into his filmmaking process<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Sans soleil/France/Marker/1983: A cinematic essay (how rare is this?!) on time, space and the cultural landscape. Marker is truly an innovative filmmaker, I’d be hard pressed to compare him to anyone else<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Paris, Texas/Germany/Wenders/1984: A haunting road movie, set in America, made by a German.<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Betty blue/37,2 le matin/France/Beinex/1986: Great adaptation of an amazing book. <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Last emperor, the/Italy/Bertolucci/1987: Saw this in 87 (when I was a kid) and have been in awe of the movie ever since. A sprawling epic<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Akira/Japan/Otomo/1988: An absolute classic of the cyberpunk AND animation genres. <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Killer, the/HK Woo/1989: Bullet ballet and melodramatic heroism at it’s best, this movie owes a lot to Le Samourai (see 60s on my list). <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Kiki’s delivery service/Japan/Miyazaki/1989: Had to have one Miyazaki in there, perfect if you have kids, perfect if you don’t. This one is truly endearing and covers all the classic Miyazaki themes: flight, coming of age, love, magic/the mystical world, old European architecture. You have to marvel at the way the characters move, perfectly evoking human mannerisms<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Crimes and misdemeanors/USA/Allen/1989: This one asks very serious questions about guilt and the consequences of your actions, all wrapped up in Allen’s usual brand of self-deprecating humour<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Do the right thing/USA/Lee/1989: The look is firmly set in the 80s but the story concerning racism is anything but dated. I like how Lee manages to give a convincing performance in his own movie, something few directors accomplish. [/list]

**Fuuma** · 10-10-2006, 02:46 PM

Fuuma's top 100 movies: 90s

<ul style="margin-top: 0cm" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal">Goodfellas/USA/Scorsese/1990:
The camera sweeps and turns to make us part of a mafia crew for a few
exhilarating decades.<li class="MsoNormal">Man bites dog/C'est arrivé près
de chez-vous/Belgium/Belvaux/Ponzel/Poelvoorde/1992: A black comedy about
the relationship between observer and subject, in this case illustrated by
watching a fake documentary crew as they follow and get gradually more
involved, with a psychopathic thief <li class="MsoNormal">Hard Boiled/HK/Woo/1992: The
most impressive pure action movie I’ve ever seen, the final showdown in
the hospital is masterful<li class="MsoNormal">Farewell my
concubine/Chine/Kaige/1993: A magnificent walk through Chinese
transformation during the 20th century and probably Leslie
Cheung’s greatest performance<li class="MsoNormal">Three colors: Blue/Trois
couleurs: Bleu/France/Kieslowski/1993: Binoche shows great skill in
approaching this difficult role, the tints and images are gorgeous and
this re-interpretation of the three colors of the French flag
(blue=liberty) take on a whole different meaning. Liberty is used here in the sense of
severing all points of contact with pain and social interaction, after the
death of a loved one.<li class="MsoNormal">Exotica/Canada/Egoyan/1994: A
movie about a strip club that is neither vulgar nor about sexuality/money,
but concerns remembrance, guilt and parenthood, no really<li class="MsoNormal">Three colors: Red/Trois
couleurs: Rouge/France/Kieslowski/1994: the final chapter of the
trilogy, Kieslowski’s fascination with chance encounters is made
especially interesting by the great ending.<li class="MsoNormal">Chungking express/HK/Wong/1994: The
lives of 20-something aimless characters intersect amid a thoroughly
modern urbanity in these two mingled love stories. Wong-Kar-Wai film uses
saturated colors and freeze frame to elevate these glimpses into
instantaneity into moments to be remembered.<li class="MsoNormal">Hate/Haine,
la/France/Kassovitz/1995: Another great film about racism, this one has a
B&W documentary feel and some natural acting that makes it a pleasure
to watch<li class="MsoNormal">Maborosi/Japon/Kore-eda/1995: A
meditation on loss. The character arc of the main character, told in
images and through mostly silent acting, is what makes this movie
incredible<li class="MsoNormal">Ridicule/France/Leconte/1996: a
western, set in 18 century France, where duels aren’t fought
with guns but words (I’m paraphrasing something Ebert said about the
movie)<li class="MsoNormal">Made in Hong Kong/HK/Chan/1997:
Chan movies are mainly concerned with the relationship between Hong Kong and the mainland and what it
entails in term of identity<li class="MsoNormal">Hana-bi/Japon/Kitano/1997: A contemplative and poetic film
punctuated by disturbing explosions of violence<li class="MsoNormal">Cure/Japon/Kurosawa
(Kiyoshi)/1997: Kurosawa has made a name for himself crafting existentialist
horror films that owe as much to Sartre as to traditional b-movie fare.<li class="MsoNormal">Mission, the/HK/To/1999: IMHO the 90s
were Hong
Kong’s
cinematic decade and this movie, courtesy of the very innovative Milky
Way’s studio head Johnnie To, ends those years with a bang; a quirky,
offbeat, character driven gangster movie that goes everywhere but where
you most expect it.[/list]

**Faust** · 10-10-2006, 03:32 PM

The Red, Blue, White trilogy is awesome. I had the Blue poster on my kitchen wall for a long time. Oh, and I must buy Kiki's Delivery Service for my daughter.

Great list, Fuuma. I'm just happy there are no Jarmush films on it - I think he is nothing but hype.

I was a little surprised that you have neither Reservoir Dogs nor Pulp Fiction on your list!

**Fuuma** · 10-10-2006, 05:04 PM

[quote user="Faust"]

The Red, Blue, White trilogy is awesome. I had the Blue poster on my kitchen wall for a long time. Oh, and I must buy Kiki's Delivery Service for my daughter.

Great list, Fuuma. I'm just happy there are no Jarmush films on it - I think he is nothing but hype.

I was a little surprised that you have neither Reservoir Dogs nor Pulp Fiction on your list!

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Kieslowski has really built a world of his own, dominated by happenstance and grand meaning given to personal gestures. As for Kiki and other Miyazaki, well kids usually love them so good idea.

I actually like Jarmusch, like a recently posted (on tfs I think) I think he brings his own skewed vision to everyday situations and I appreciate that. I also share his new wave sensibilities. Same thing for Tarantino, I definitely liked some, if not all, of his movies.

**dontbecruel** · 10-10-2006, 05:12 PM

Glad there's a Miyazaki on your list. I think all of his films apart from Howl are among the best of the past 20 years. Even when you go back to his early TV shorts like Panda KoPanda, he has a beautiful vision. He really reminds me of Yohji's remark that fashion is about "designing time". His imagination is populated by things as various as aeroplanes from the 1930s, European buildings from the 18th century, the Japanese countryside of his youth, the way that a certain girl of a certain age plays. These all take on a new meaning once they are recreated in a new space in time. And they will create a new kind of beauty again when the films are watched in 100 years.

**mass** · 10-10-2006, 06:11 PM

suprised there is no tarkovsky...

good call on the fruit chan picture.

**Jorge Hache** · 10-10-2006, 09:05 PM

Glad to see Atom Egoyan in the list, movies like Exotica or Sweet Hereafter are among my favourites, he can portrait really quirky or disfuctional characters (more humanly and emotional) in a better way than any director of his genetation, way less hype than Jarmusch or Tarantino but more rewarding and provocative.

**Jorge Hache** · 10-10-2006, 09:12 PM

Kitano and Kieslowski are also personal favourites, the Three Colors Trilogy is great but some of their early movieslike Blind Chance (which inspired movies likeTykwer's Run Lola Run) are worth seeing too.

**mass** · 10-10-2006, 10:15 PM

i think egoyan often gets overlooked because he's canadian.

love kieslowski... the decalogue was actually my introduction to him. oh dear...

**Faust** · 10-10-2006, 10:17 PM

[quote user="mass"]suprised there is no tarkovsky...

good call on the fruit chan picture.[/quote]

Oh,
yea, good call. I would think that he is a fairly narrow figure
in what he does. His films are so powerful, but you really need
to follow the closely, which can get difficult because they are so
sparse.

**Fuuma** · 10-11-2006, 01:16 PM

Fuuma's top 100 movies: 2000s<ul style="margin-top: 0cm" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Code Unknown/Code inconnu/France/Haneke/2000: Haneke’s masterful film on the new Europe and its impact on various ethnic groups, the movie also explores communication dynamics and mixed messages. The disjointed, unfinished scenes really add something, illustrating the vagaries of human contact in a very palpable way.<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">In the mood for love/HK/Wong/2000: Languid exploration of an impossible love in the HK of the 60s. WKW reached his aesthetic pinnacle with this; looking at people smoking was never this exhilarating.<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">Battle royale/Japan/Fukasaku/2000: B-movie social critique about a high school class send on an island to exterminate each other. I love the clash of high school dynamics and repeating machineguns. Fukasaku once again lets the ugly side of post-war Japanese society fester to the surface<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">24 Hour Party People/UK/Winterbottom/2002: I never tire of watching this movie; it’s so energetic and unabashedly cheerful, even when everything crashes around the main character. I don’t have much to say about it though, contrary to pretty much every entry on the list I don’t know much about the director’s cannon (Winterbottom), I haven’t noticed anything special about the direction as I’m always so engrossed in the story I’m affected by his technique instead of analyzing it. Oh and post-punk rocks!<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">OldBoy/Korea/Park/2003: “Laugh, and the world laughs with you; cry, and you cry alone.” Korean cinema has been one of the most dynamic of the last few years, this is my favourite entry but there are plenty to explore and it goes in all directions (comedies, melodrama, genre movie, romance, historical epics, psychological drama, etc.). Since this list is finished maybe I’ll recommend some Korean movies next.<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; tab-stops: list 36.0pt">The beat that my heat skipped/De battre mon c&oelig;ur s'est arrêté/France/Audiard/2005: This movie had such a strong, visceral impact the first time I watched it the stewardess had to remind me to turn off my ipod because the plane was landing. That it can pack such a punch on a small screen in this context says a lot about its emotional charge. What it’s about: a young, restless man, torn between the sometimes harsh actions he thinks he must take to please various authority figures and find some kind of peace. Oh and since it’s a fashion board maybe someone will know who made Romain Duris wardrobe, because the overall look is exactly what I like about the dressier side of clothing. [/list]

**Fuuma** · 10-11-2006, 01:23 PM

[quote user="dontbecruel"]Glad there's a Miyazaki on your list. I think all of his films apart from Howl are among the best of the past 20 years. Even when you go back to his early TV shorts like Panda KoPanda, he has a beautiful vision. He really reminds me of Yohji's remark that fashion is about "designing time". His imagination is populated by things as various as aeroplanes from the 1930s, European buildings from the 18th century, the Japanese countryside of his youth, the way that a certain girl of a certain age plays. These all take on a new meaning once they are recreated in a new space in time. And they will create a new kind of beauty again when the films are watched in 100 years.[/quote]



I also enjoy the recurring motives in his work very much, it creates a sense of unity without making you feel like you're watching rehashed stories. I think that, aside from his exploration of spatial movements, Miyazaki's thematic interest lies in the tension created by the transition from what was to what will be (from childhood to adulthood, from rural to urban, from ancient/mystical to present day/industrial, etc.)

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