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    [quote user="ddohnggo"]what about his persona do you find pathetic?[/quote]



    I need to think about this before I really respond--it's really a gut reaction, not one that I've consciously thought out.



    It has to do with this though: "his longish hair sweeping against brawny shoulders bulging from a wifebeater. His gym body and California-bred conversational ease..." [+o(]

    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    [quote user="laika"]

    [quote user="ddohnggo"]what about his persona do you find pathetic?[/quote]



    I need to think about this before I really respond--it's really a gut reaction, not one that I've consciously thought out.



    It has to do with this though: "his longish hair sweeping against brawny shoulders bulging from a wifebeater. His gym body and California-bred conversational ease..." [+o(]

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    I think that sentence just explains his general persona, he's fit and from California. I actually really enjoyed that article, made me realize a lot more of where he is coming from and what his clothing stands for.
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    Laika, I'm pretty much with you.




    There's minimal and straightforward:







    And there's minimal and straightforward:




    "I'm more interested in retail than press. I concentrate on doing tasteful separates at a decent price. I'm not kidding. We do some pretty basic things that flatter a lot of women. I think that's really cool. I'm just a wannabe Calvin Klein or Giorgio Armani."





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    I should add, I'm a big Rick Owens (clothing)fan -- mens and womens stuff. And though I feel he's being kind of self-aggrandizing to compare himself to Brancusi, the sculpture analogy is notwrong.His clothingoften is (nicely)scultpural (in the way he works with folds and drape for example). And, the shapes can be playful, gestural. There's a funny bad example in that article, cf. pic of the fur hat contraption with chin guard.





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    I go back on forth on the Rick Owens persona. While it can be deeply annoying at times, it strangely doesn't feel fake or staged (my impression is that is really just how he is and lives his life). He is clearly a egotist and a performer, but I don't get that he is doing it for the media or as a way to sell clothes. Maybe more as some sorta way to comunicate with his customers or express himself.

    Maybe I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because I do like some some of his designs. His furniture, however, I find horrendous (so much for the Brancusi reference!)



    Laika, is it the macho posturing / violence that really annoys you about Rick?


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    pbt, that was elegantly illustrated. [:P]





    Seventh--He just seems really needy to me, lol. When a guy has to
    blow-dry his hair, spend a billion hours at the gym and wear high heels to
    achieve his "persona", it's kind of a turn off, you know?





    Compare to Alber Elbaz, who says,

    "Usually, I spend my day perfecting a
    dress rather than perfecting myself.
    Thank God I don't have to look
    like a model to promote my work, because that would be a catastrophe.
    Nobody would buy anything! I'm behind the scenes. I could be on a diet
    of leaves and go to the gym 17 times a week if I really wanted it, but
    what I really want to do is my work. But I have asked myself: if I had
    a different look, would I design differently? And I think I would. I
    think the fact that I never feel perfect and I never feel beautiful and
    I never feel skinny makes me search for lightness and beauty, because
    these are what I feel I am missing. I always go for whatever I think I
    don't have."



    Makes me weak in the knees. [:$]

    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    Seventh--He just seems really needy to me, lol. When a guy has to
    blow-dry his hair, spend a billion hours at the gym and wear high heels to
    achieve his "persona", it's kind of a turn off, you know?


    [/quote]

    I don't mind this at all, there is something interesting in someone building a persona, as fake as it might appear (who's real anyway, is Fashion real?). Would you make the same comment about Oscar Wilde, or any dandy from the XVIII spending billions hours in front of their mirrors for that matter?

    I think you have to take him in a literary sense almost, his references to "A Rebours" (Against the Grain) are telling something.




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    Either way, he makes some darn cool clothes.

    On another note, does anyone know if LuisaViaroma is picking up the Spring '07 mens line?
    "because the young are whores. dealers come to carol to get the rock"

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    [quote user="Casius"]Either way, he makes some darn cool clothes.

    On another note, does anyone know if LuisaViaroma is picking up the Spring '07 mens line?


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    Weird. I could've sworn they had it. Could it be that they really sold everything already? I remember prices being much cheaper than in North America, but still...

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    Yea, I was wondering if it sold out as well. The girls is all there for the most part and the prices are actually pretty good for some of the pieces.
    I wonder if Rick is going to get some more U.S. dealers in the future? Seems pretty limited right now. But maybe his stuff doesn't sell well here in the States.
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    [quote user="Casius"]Yea, I was wondering if it sold out as well. The girls is all there for the most part and the prices are actually pretty good for some of the pieces.
    I wonder if Rick is going to get some more U.S. dealers in the future? Seems pretty limited right now. But maybe his stuff doesn't sell well here in the States.


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    He has more than enough in New York, especially for DRKSHDW. I'd imagine he'd have plenty in L.A. - his hometown after all.

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    You would think, but I have only come to find Maxfield as being the only RO menswear carrier in LA. Planning to check it out around my birthday in May and see what they have for Spring. I'm curious to see if thier pricing is any different from Ateliers'.
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    [quote user="Casius"]You would think, but I have only come to find Maxfield as being the only RO menswear carrier in LA. Planning to check it out around my birthday in May and see what they have for Spring. I'm curious to see if thier pricing is any different from Ateliers'.[/quote]



    Weird - I'd imagine Barneys would have it for sure.

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    [quote user="justine"][quote user="laika"]

    Seventh--He just seems really needy to me, lol. When a guy has to
    blow-dry his hair, spend a billion hours at the gym and wear high heels to
    achieve his "persona", it's kind of a turn off, you know?




    [/quote]

    I don't mind this at all, there is something interesting in someone building a persona, as fake as it might appear (who's real anyway, is Fashion real?). Would you make the same comment about Oscar Wilde, or any dandy from the XVIII spending billions hours in front of their mirrors for that matter?

    I think you have to take him in a literary sense almost, his references to "A Rebours" (Against the Grain) are telling something.

    [/quote]



    good point, justine. [51] His persona is artificial (in the sense of "constructed") but there's nothing wrong with that. And his story obviously speaks to plenty of people.



    I think the Oscar Wilde type of dandy is different though--there's a politics to it that goes beyond vanity. But that belongs in the dandyism thread, of course.

    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    [quote user="laika"]

    good point, justine. [51] His persona is artificial (in the sense of "constructed") but there's nothing wrong with that. And his story obviously speaks to plenty of people.[/quote]





    But does
    creating a simulacrum absolves you from having your actions and conceptions
    being judged in the same manner as anyone else, regardless of the ?greater
    truth? (about you, society, creation, fashion etc) this persona aims at
    revealing? I don?t have an easy answer on that as we now know the auteur and
    his work are intimately linked and often approached in conjunction, making the
    presentation of an alternative persona a possible addition to the aforementioned
    work. You need to look no further than the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde persona of
    Gainsbourg/Gainsbarre. I was also reminded of this when viewing ?La môme?, a
    biopic of Édith Piaf that spends the whole movie creating parallels between her
    life (the real topic) and her work (a manifestation of the first). I guess it?s
    also important to take into account the mediatisation of the public life of
    entertainers (and to a lesser degree artist?s), I?m sure a lot of people know
    more, and are more interested, in Tom Cruise?s life than the life of the
    characters he portrays onscreen.



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    /\ Good question. Same thing has been debated in literary criticism - do you judge a text solely on its own merit, or do you connect it with the author?



    I say, both :-)



    In case of Rick, for example, I can easily separate his persona from his creations. He does his thing, and he does it well.



    In case of Ann, not so much. Her work is deeply imbued with her personality and her outlook on the world. It's also deeply intertwined with her own taste in art (Patti Smith, Jiliet Margaret Cameron, etc.), and there is just too much internal feeling that she projects into her clothes. It's always cool to see a manifestation of one's feelings - isn't that what art is about, at least in part?



    Maybe Rick does that too, I just don't feel/see it. I've never read Rick explain why he does what he does. There is a definite gothic viking vibe with some s&m thrown in, but I can't figure out if it's genuine or not. It does not detruct from his clothing in my opinion - I still like a lot of it.




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    Good point, I'd say literary analysis is one of the most "evolved" form of criticism we have access to, which is a boon considering that A)books rock and B) a lot of it is transferrable to other fields where the body of knowledge is less impressive.



    As for Rick, I don't really understand anything about Mr, Viking, I mean referring to someone like Brancusi, who presented creations of pure abstraction, could be approriate for a sculptor or a painter but a designer is someone that takes a stand towards reality and solving the problems inherent to our time so I doubt this applies. I mean, while they may love and get some inspiration from Kandinski, I certainly hope no architect think they present similar work.

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    [quote user="Casius"]You would think, but I have only come to find Maxfield as being the only RO menswear carrier in LA. Planning to check it out around my birthday in May and see what they have for Spring. I'm curious to see if thier pricing is any different from Ateliers'.[/quote]



    Weird - I'd imagine Barneys would have it for sure.



    [/quote]





    barney's has DRKSHDW, but not a very deep stock. maxfield bleu still has a fair amount of RO and DRKSHDW, as well as some l'maltieri and linea. acres of current RO at maxfield. my guess is that most of the odd (i.e. not dark) colors in the cotton pieces will be available on sale after the season for half or two/thirds off at bleu (i recently picked up 3 long sleeved t's from fall for about $125 each - caramel - orange - beige). maxfield tends to hold on to the better bits for a season or two. or six.



    maxfield's markup is inconsistent, and tends to be higher than atelier. that said, the store is pretty amazing, and the stock is deeeeeep, the staff very cool (by la standards - the staff at A are exceptional) and my girlfriend and i have purchased many items from them at, ahem, full (or full+) retail. cos, well, y'know.....


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    [quote user="een"][quote user="Faust"]

    [quote user="Casius"]You would think, but I have only come to find Maxfield as being the only RO menswear carrier in LA. Planning to check it out around my birthday in May and see what they have for Spring. I'm curious to see if thier pricing is any different from Ateliers'.[/quote]



    Weird - I'd imagine Barneys would have it for sure.



    [/quote]





    barney's has DRKSHDW, but not a very deep stock. maxfield bleu still has a fair amount of RO and DRKSHDW, as well as some l'maltieri and linea. acres of current RO at maxfield. my guess is that most of the odd (i.e. not dark) colors in the cotton pieces will be available on sale after the season for half or two/thirds off at bleu (i recently picked up 3 long sleeved t's from fall for about $125 each - caramel - orange - beige). maxfield tends to hold on to the better bits for a season or two. or six.



    maxfield's markup is inconsistent, and tends to be higher than atelier. that said, the store is pretty amazing, and the stock is deeeeeep, the staff very cool (by la standards - the staff at A are exceptional) and my girlfriend and i have purchased many items from them at, ahem, full (or full+) retail. cos, well, y'know.....

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    Thank you so much for the info een, greatly appreciated. I just might have to make a trip this week. :)
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    New A/W sneakers. I prefer the all black or white, these are just 'okay' in my opinion. Comes in black with white or white with black.
    "because the young are whores. dealers come to carol to get the rock"

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