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  • djrajio
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    • Sep 2006
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    A MUST READ: WSJ - What's Inside Your Suit

    What's Inside Your Suit


    How
    'Super' is that fabric? Makers are using numbers to tout quality. We
    subjected suits to a battery of lab tests -- and found some don't live
    up to their labels. Which ones deliver.

    By RAY A. SMITH
    November 11, 2006




    The men's floor at Barneys New York has racks of suits
    in a wide range of prices, colors and cuts. But many have one thing in
    common: The now-ubiquitous labels that promote the quality of the
    fabric with numbers like "Super 110s" and "Super 150s."


    Just as sheets trumpet thread counts and gas has its
    premium octane, suit manufacturers are using these numbers to tout
    their wool. Higher numbers translate to narrower fibers, which makers
    say are softer to the touch. It's one of several tactics the suit
    industry is using to combat slowing sales. On the high end, makers are
    pushing suits in the Super 220s range for thousands of dollars.
    Discounters are also adopting the system, hoping to convince shoppers
    that a superior suit can be had for $300 or less.



    Industry groups and some lawmakers are now calling
    these numbers into question, prompted in part by makers of superfine
    wool fabrics concerned about lower-priced suits being labeled with high
    Super numbers. But the issue isn't limited to inexpensive suits.


    In a test of 10 suits by The Wall Street Journal,
    ranging in price from $290 to $1,995, four came back with a Super grade
    below what was advertised. We also tested for durability and
    wrinkle-resistance, and found that some suits with higher Super numbers
    didn't deliver superior performance on those measures. A $1,595
    Corneliani suit purchased at Saks Fifth Avenue, for instance, was
    labeled as Super 170s. Our lab test showed the fabric was actually
    Super 150s.


    Roger Cohen, president of the U.S. division of
    Corneliani, says the company uses an Italian lab to conduct random
    tests on the fabric received from suppliers, which provide certificates
    noting the diameter of the fiber. Its policy, he adds, is not to
    "mislead or misguide any consumer."


    Though there's no way for shoppers to verify a suit's
    Super number without access to a textile laboratory, there are a few
    simple tests shoppers can perform themselves in stores to gauge the
    quality of a suit. One trick to figure out how easily a suit will
    wrinkle: Clench a sleeve in your fist for a few minutes, then let it go
    -- a good quality fabric should rebound quickly. Rayon linings known as
    Bemberg are generally more durable than silk or other materials, while
    twills, like Herringbone, tend to be stronger materials than plain
    weaves.


    The boom in S-numbers is part of a broader move by
    suit makers to set their garments apart from the competition. Sales
    have cooled from the torrid pace of a couple of years ago, when men
    started dressing up again and the casual style of the dot-com era went
    out of vogue. Through September this year, sales are down 10% from the
    same period a year earlier, according to market researcher NPD Group.
    Last year, sales rose only 0.4%, NPD says.


    MEASURING UP




    Ray Smith explains how to gauge the quality of superfine wool. Hear the podcast.




    The fastest-growing category in the U.S. market is
    suits under $300, which now account for more than half of all suits
    purchased. These include imports from China, Mexico and other countries
    that have improved their quality, helping to push down prices overall.
    The average cost of a suit in 2005 was $138.26, down from $142.32 in
    2004, when suit sales rose 18% over the previous year. Hartmarx, which
    owns the Hart Schaffner Marx and Hickey Freeman labels, is among the
    biggest suit makers in the U.S., along with Jos. A. Bank and Brooks
    Brothers.


    Many lower-priced suits now identify S-numbers, too.
    Men's Wearhouse sells a $399 private-label Pronto Uomo suit marked
    Super 120s. Others name the fabric mill or the country where a suit was
    made. Some Arnold Brant suits, for instance, tout their provenance as
    "Vitale Barberis Canonico," an Italian fabric maker.


    Makers say S-numbers are proving the most effective.
    While women typically look for items that appeal to their sense of
    style, using their instinct or the opinions of friends, many men have a
    harder time deciding what to buy. The numbers add a quantitative
    dimension that makes decision-making less intimidating. There are also
    bragging rights. S-numbers give men "something to discuss at a cocktail
    party," says Corneliani's Mr. Cohen.


    That was the attraction for Craig Weiss, a 51-year-old
    psychologist in Holland, Pa., who bought a $3,000 navy blue Brioni suit
    made of Super 150s wool a few years ago. He says he thought a higher
    S-number was "a thing to aspire to." But Mr. Weiss says the suit let
    him down, wrinkling when he traveled more than his less-expensive suits
    did. It also felt so light and delicate that he worried about it
    ripping. "It took all the fun out of wearing it," he says, adding that
    he now wears the suit only for special occasions and buys lower
    S-numbered suits for everyday use. Brioni says it has not heard any
    complaints about its Super 150s.


    Part of what makes the S-number system confusing is
    that higher quality wool doesn't also mean more durable wool. The
    number relates only to the diameter of the fiber, measured in microns.
    Thinner fibers are usually more fragile. These suits tend to bunch up
    when tailored and can wear out after a few dry cleanings.


    "A very high S-system number doesn't guarantee the
    best garments," says Andy Gilchrist, author of "The Encyclopedia of
    Men's Clothes." "Such wools wrinkle almost as much as linen. They are
    delicate and not as durable as less-fine wool."


    The fineness of the fabric is only one measure of a
    suit's quality. Strength is also a factor, and depends on the length of
    the yarn and whether it's reinforced with another strand to make it two
    ply. In some cloth, only yarn that runs vertically is reinforced, while
    in others, reinforced yarns run horizontally as well. The latter,
    called "two by two," tends to be stronger and better at recovering from
    wrinkles. Ply is rarely noted on a label, but is sometimes mentioned in
    descriptions of products on the fabric maker's Web site.


    Suit makers acknowledge that fabrics with high
    S-numbers are delicate and lightweight. But some say that a suit made
    of high-quality Super 150s or above could be worn to the office once a
    week and would last four or five years, if it's rarely dry cleaned.
    That's roughly half as long as a good-quality Super 120s suit under the
    same conditions. Several salespeople at stores from Saks Fifth Avenue
    to Barneys New York advised us not to buy suits with high S-numbers for
    anything but special occasions.


    To determine the accuracy of advertised S-numbers, we
    purchased 10 suits at retail outlets and sent them to Vartest
    Laboratories, a New York firm that tests fibers and fabrics for
    retailers and manufacturers. One suit made by Italian label Canali,
    priced at $1,800, came back with results indicating that the S-number
    was overstated. The lab also measured the fibers in a $417 Donald J.
    Trump suit labeled Super 150s, and found them to be the diameter of
    Super 130s -- the same grade it found in a Lauren by Ralph Lauren suit
    we bought on Macys.com that was described online as a Super 140s.


    A spokeswoman from Canali says its fabric was tested
    by an Italian lab and determined to be Super 150s. Peerless Clothing,
    which manufactures the Lauren suit, says the description applied to a
    previous version of the suit and should have been changed on the Web
    site (the site has since been updated). A lawyer for Marcraft Apparel
    Group, which makes suits under the Donald J. Trump label, says our test
    was "inappropriate" because it is not possible to determine wool
    quality from a finished product. Other industry executives said testing
    finished goods is not unusual and is often used to check quality.


    Six of the suits we tested passed with flying colors,
    with results that matched or exceeded their promised S-numbers,
    including two of our least expensive choices -- an Arnold Brant and a
    Jos. A. Bank, both Super 110s that cost less than $300. A pricier
    Hickey Freeman Super 120s was found to have Super 130s fibers. Hickey
    Freeman declined to comment.


    Our overall winner in the other two categories --
    strength and wrinkle-resistance -- was that $300 Arnold Brant suit,
    which we found marked down from $895 at Sierra Trading Post. Its warp,
    or vertical yarns, withstood nearly 83 pounds of pressure before
    ripping -- that's about 40 pounds more than the industry's minimum
    standard. We also tested the weft of all our suits, or horizontal
    yarns, since some fabric makers reinforce only the warp; experts say a
    suit that has a strong warp and weft will last longer.


    BEHIND THE NUMBERS


    We purchased 10 wool
    suits from popular makers at a wide range of price points and Super
    numbers. We didn't test any suits above Super 170s, since most of those
    are only available made to measure or by special order.

    In addition to checking
    Super numbers, we tested two other factors that are important to men
    shopping for suits: durability and how susceptible the material is to
    wrinkling.

    We had the suits
    analyzed by Vartest Laboratories in New York, which is accredited by
    the International Organisation for Standardization in Geneva,
    Switzerland, and has conducted tests for retailers and manufacturers.
    To check the suits' Super numbers, the lab measured the diameter of the
    wool fiber in microns. Vartest said that while there could be
    differences between measurements of raw wool fibers and those in
    finished products, they probably wouldn't be large enough to change the
    Super number.


    The first SUPER 100s wool was developed in the 1960s,
    by an English fabric mill that worked with yarn from sheep bred
    especially for that purpose in Australia. It was far silkier than
    anything available at the time.


    The first merchants to see it "were so astounded that,
    in a fit of exuberance, they dubbed it Super 100s," according to the
    book "The Suit: A Machiavellian Approach to Men's Style," written by
    Michael Anton under the pen name Nicholas Antongiavanni. Italian mills
    soon developed looms that could rapidly weave the fine wool without
    tearing it.


    For years, the terminology was used mostly by fabric
    and suit makers. By the mid-1990s, as competition was heating up in the
    U.S. suit market and luxury labels were taking off, high-end clothiers,
    custom-suit makers and Italian mills began using Super numbers more
    often to market directly to consumers. Soon, the numbers began
    appearing on labels inside suits or on the sleeves. Sales people in
    department stores started receiving training on how to explain why the
    super wools cost more.


    "The label says 'this is special,' 'this is unique,'"
    says Arnold Brant, president of the clothing company that bears his
    name. "If it's a navy suit and it says Super 120s, it tells the
    customer this is a wool that's a better grade. This is not a typical
    navy suit."


    In part because of the profusion of S-numbers across
    all price levels, the Cashmere and Camel Hair Manufacturers Institute
    decided to test the veracity of these claims. The Boston-based trade
    group that includes makers of superfine wool fabrics started testing
    finished products two years ago, at the urging of some of its members
    who noticed lower-priced suits were increasingly being labeled with
    high S-numbers.


    In its test of 20 suits, the institute found that
    roughly two-thirds of them were mislabeled, including suits purchased
    from Men's Wearhouse, Filene's (now part of Macy's) and Sierra Trading
    Post. The group then notified the stores and manufacturers, which
    either stopped selling the suits or changed the labels.


    There is no universal standard for defining S-numbers.
    The International Wool Textile Organisation, a trade group, has issued
    guidelines, but suit makers say mills in some countries don't follow
    them. In our test, we used those guidelines.


    At the urging of several trade groups, the U.S. House
    of Representatives in September approved a bill that would codify the
    IWTO's guidelines, setting specific measurements for S-numbers up to
    Super 250s. The bill would give the Federal Trade Commission the power
    to fine fabric suppliers, garment manufacturers and retailers that
    don't abide by the standards.


    The proposed legislation would "give our industry
    protection" and "help the consumer so that they are going to get what's
    advertised," says Hickey Freeman chairman Duffy Hickey, who is also
    president of the Tailored Clothing Association, a suit makers' trade
    group.


    Some suit makers think S-numbers have been overdone.
    Oxxford Clothes, whose handmade suits are sold for thousands of dollars
    at stores like Barneys New York and its own shops in Chicago and New
    York, plans to stop labeling everything below Super 150s, starting next
    fall. A key reason: "You're seeing very inexpensive suits advertised as
    Super 120s and that muddies the water," says Mike Cohen, the company's
    chief executive.


    J.C. Penney stopped labeling the Super numbers on its
    Stafford suits last year because the number "doesn't reflect the entire
    quality story of our product," says Richard Honiball, Penney's Stafford
    brand director. The suits are made with many fabrics that qualify for
    Super designation, up to and including Super 120s, he says.


    Others, like Ermenegildo Zegna, an Italian firm that
    makes fabric as well as suits, don't tout the S-number on their labels
    either. Djordje Stefanovic, executive director of communications for
    Zegna, says the company relies on its reputation for making fine
    fabrics: "As yarn producers, wool producers and suit producers, we
    didn't want to play that numbers game."


  • xcoldricex
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2006
    • 1347

    #2
    Re: A MUST READ: WSJ - What's Inside Your Suit

    thanks rajio. just wondering - what suits do you wear on a daily basis?

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    • Faust
      kitsch killer
      • Sep 2006
      • 37852

      #3
      Re: A MUST READ: WSJ - What's Inside Your Suit

      Thanks, Rajiv. A very informative article. I remember buying a pair of Gucci pants with S120 label about 8 years ago - damn, they felt amazing. My Dad wears them now (I've lost a bit of weight since), which I forget, and get a shock when I see him during family occasions - they still look incredible after all these years.
      Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

      StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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      • Avantster
        ¤¤¤
        • Sep 2006
        • 1983

        #4
        Re: A MUST READ: WSJ - What's Inside Your Suit

        Great article rajio - interesting how there is no codified standard for S numbers. Still, it's good to know that there's much more to fabric quality than just S numbers.
        let us raise a toast to ancient cotton, rotten voile, gloomy silk, slick carf, decayed goat, inflamed ram, sooty nelton, stifling silk, lazy sheep, bone-dry broad & skinny baffalo.

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        • djrajio
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2006
          • 143

          #5
          Re: A MUST READ: WSJ - What's Inside Your Suit



          [quote user="xcoldricex"]thanks rajio. just wondering - what suits do you wear on a daily basis?
          [/quote]
          Ironically currently rotating an Arnold Brant suit black wool/cashmere 3-button, Missoni blue-pinstripe 3-button, Costume National black 2-button, and thensome slacks by Costume National withany of theabove mentioned jackets (all through Yoox sales). I also have a Dior one-button for formal occassions that I've decided to keep. Come christmas/new year sales hope to get a dark charcol pinstripe from either Ralph Lauren or Zegna, haven't decided. I was really impressed with the Ralph Lauren suits this season, very nice cuts and fabrics. Does anybody know who they commission to get them made? Probably styleforum or askandy would know...



          I think the most important thing I took away from this article is that depending on your use requirements, a Brioni/Kiton suit may not be the best choice. Everybody wants to buy "the best" without really considering if it'll work with work requirements. For me, comfort and durability are the most important criteria since I wear a suit 5 days a week, 12+ hours a day.

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          • xcoldricex
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2006
            • 1347

            #6
            Re: A MUST READ: WSJ - What's Inside Your Suit



            not sure if they have what you want- but ralph lauren is going to have a sale on the website





            Date: November 16 ONLY

            Place: BM and polo.com

            Slickdeal: ADDITIONAL 15% OFF (fall sale merchandise) with code NOV16



            Date: November 21st - December 4th
            Place: www.ralphlauren.com
            Deal: 30% off with code Hol2006

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            • nairb49
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2006
              • 410

              #7
              Re: A MUST READ: WSJ - What's Inside Your Suit

              great article, wish I had more opportunities to wear suits.

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