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  • birdytg
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 253

    First participation to this thread in spite of my love for photography!

    I would enjoy getting your feelings about Olympus om-d e-m5 vs Canon g1x vs Fudji x-pro1 vs Sony Nex 7...which one would you recommand as a second or third camera to easily bring everywhere and getting results not so far from the big reflex cameras?
    Any other choice?
    Thank you for your advices!
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    • widmerpool
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 151

      Birdytg, I think a big part of the answer to that is do you plan to use it with lenses you already own. If you don't, micro4/3 is probably your best bet as it has the nicest line up of native lenses. I've seen very polarized reports on the OM-D's ergonomics though, so you might want to go to a shop first and see if you're one of the people that likes it.

      If you already have lenses you want to use the NEX is best. In terms of native lenses the choice is poor though - the za 24 1.8 and sigma 30 2.8 are excellent, and the Sony 50 1.8 and sigma 19 2.8 are pretty good. That's it. I've seen people claiming the kit zoom is the best of its kind, but my wife uses it and it has tons of distortion.

      The XP1 is light, but it is not compact. With the 35 1.4 it is like a Contax G2 with a Canon ef50 1.4 stuck on the front. After playing with one for a bit I think it is going to be like the x100, some people with love it, but a lot of people are going to be unable to tolerate the quirks and will end up selling it.
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      • birdytg
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2010
        • 253

        Thank you very much Widmerpool!
        Yeah, the problem is not easy to solve to be sure making the right choice and that's why I am asking here your advices.
        I, for now, am mainly with Canon 7D for cropped frame and soon with 5D MarkIII that i am waiting to be available again (when they have fixed the problem of back screen lighting interferences at very low light envirement with sensor).
        I was really hesitating with the Nikon D800 which was also another first choice but reason would like I buy a Canon to take advantage of my already existant Canon lenses. If I buy the D800 I have to buy new Nikon or other top notch lenses which are very expensive as I can not use my Canons...
        Then I need an "easy to carry everywhere and everytime" camera, always ready BUT, I don't want to compromise with the image quality and possibilities...hummmmm, seems hard to revalize with the GREAT reflexes on the market...meanwhile i heard the Olympus OM D E M5 and the Canon G1X where excellent for easy purposes but can't stop to think about the NEX 7 (as I know Sony has always brillant ideas with technology and compromises!)...do you know what kind of lenses (standards) the NEX 7 can accept? any? I haven't read about this matter yet...
        There is also the Ricoh GRD4 possibility or the very interesting concept of the GXR...
        I, personnaly liked the Contax 2 and when you say the XP1 can go this way with a Canon EF50 1,4, it's also tempting...Do you know if the XP1 does accept any of the EF serie canon lenses? (But it's true it is quite far from a compact especially with a EF3,5-5 IS L 28-300 which apart of his dimensions has the perfect versatility but not the right dimensions)
        So explaining this, you better see my problems and the versatility of making the right choice!
        Thanks a lot for any idea!!! :-)
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        • widmerpool
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 151

          Slight miscommunication - I meant that the size of the Xp1 with its 35mm is about the same as a G2 and an ef50, i.e. not compact. I don't think you can put EF lenses on the XP1 at the moment.

          You can put just about any kind of lens on NEX. I used to have a 5d and a bunch of lenses. I got my wife a NEX-5n, used it with my old Contax g2 lenses for a week and then sold all my Canon stuff. I'd guess any NEX will beat the 7d in image quality.

          I was planning to get a NEX7, but haven't due to poor performance with RF wide angles and it not having a touchscreen, which is useful for zooming manual focus.

          Take a look at this thread http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/969329/261
          and you can see what the NEX is capable of with almost any lens you can think of.

          I love my GXR, but the body is a little long in the tooth now. I'm hoping for an update around September-October.
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          • fncyths
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 775

            Originally posted by widmerpool View Post
            You can put just about any kind of lens on NEX. I used to have a 5d and a bunch of lenses. I got my wife a NEX-5n, used it with my old Contax g2 lenses for a week and then sold all my Canon stuff. I'd guess any NEX will beat the 7d in image quality.
            Wow! I did the same thing just recently but haven't decided on a good digital system to reinvest in. I've been shooting Canon for years and over time I've just felt detached. I'm back to shooting on my Hasselblad till I find something that I can get excited about. I love the H2, not really stoked in investing in a digital back. Dealing with rented ones for shoots and how testy they are is enough for me to stay away. I love the Leica S2 system and have shot with it a few times, it's brutal $$$$ though...

            I'll have to check into the NEX 5n. I have some old Zeiss lenses that I'd love to pop on there...
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            • Dane
              HAMMERTIME
              • Feb 2011
              • 3252

              all non-native lenses on the sony will be manual focus only, yes? what about aperture, etc?
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              • widmerpool
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 151

                Yes, they are all MF. I only have Contax G, LTM and M lenses so I don't have personal experience of any other ones, but I know there is a wide range of adapters. There is a definitely an adapter for EF lenses that lets you control the aperture. There are helical adapters that you can rack out like macro tubes and tilt-and-shift adapters. Of course, the more complex the adapter, the more expensive.
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                • Dane
                  HAMMERTIME
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 3252

                  I'm good with manually focusing, but frankly, I'd rather have a native lens that has all the options...which is why I went the m43 route instead of sony.

                  For anyone interested, dpreview (finally) posted a review of the em-5:

                  With the launch of the E-M5, Olympus harks back to one of its most fondly-remembered camera systems - the Olympus OM range of 35mm SLRs. The E-M5 is the first camera in an OM-Digital lineup that will run alongside the PEN series and, according to the company, its Four Thirds models. For reasons of clarity, it should be stated that this isn't a continuation of the old OM line - the OM-D models won't be SLRs and are based around Micro Four Thirds, not OM lens mounts. However, they do embody the spirit of the much-loved camera line - a small, well-built camera designed for enthusiasts. And, particularly in silver and black form, the E-M5 is one of best looking cameras we've encountered in some time.


                  "If you're absolutely unwilling to compromise on image quality then spending twice the money and moving up to the bulk of a full-frame is the only way of gaining a significant step up from the E-M5."
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                  • birdytg
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 253

                    Thank you for the link, Dane!

                    Reading it and some other reviews as well, it seems the Olympus OM-D E-M5 is for up to now THE new reference for the micro four thrirds!
                    Here is another lnk:http://www.imaging-resource.com/PROD...5/omd-em5A.HTM
                    One thing important to me is also the Olympus is totally tropicalized which is very important considering my next photography trip in Cambodgia...

                    But Widmerpool, when I see the different pictures made with Nex 7 on the link you provided, I still have doubt in my choice...

                    So, let's imagine about the Olympus OM DE M5...
                    Now next question is: what are the right lenses to work with?

                    What would be your advices for the nop notch zoom lens ?
                    -Panasonic Lumix G Vario 14-140mm f/4-5.8 ASPH
                    -M.Zuiko 14-150mm f/4-5.6 ED
                    -Others?
                    I always enjoy getting a lens that allows me to be ready for any purpose at any time without loosing my time in changing the lens all the time which can make that I missed the right opportunity of the right shot at the right moment...

                    But this is sometimes also at the detriment of the quality of the shot, so I think that aside I also need extra lenses, less versatile, to care about quality when not in the rush...
                    So which bunch of lens would you recommend aside?

                    Thank you to any of you which can bring elements to the discussion!
                    Last edited by birdytg; 05-01-2012, 09:31 AM.
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                    • Dane
                      HAMMERTIME
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 3252

                      "fast" zoom lenses are currently m43's biggest weakness, although panasonic showed prototypes for a 12-35 2.8 and 35-100 2.8, but who knows when they'll reach the shelves. the 12-50 kit lens is weather sealed, but doesn't get great reviews...the standard 14-42 kitlens is fine for what it is, and is only $100 if you buy it with the camera. avoid panasonic's "x" series zooms for the time-being...they are flawed. the panasonic 14-45 was their original kitlens and still hasn't been improved in as far as sharpness and overall image quality.

                      if you're interested in primes, the olympus 45 is great, as is the panasonic 25. there are two new sigma primes, 19 and 30, that both get great reviews, and retail for only $200 a pop. primes seem to be where it's at with m43.

                      lenstip.com is a good resource for lens reviews.

                      personally...I'm holding out for better zooms...I have panasonic 14mm, 25mm, and olympus 45mm, which gets me across a decent range. changing lenses is a bit of a pain...but I make that sacrifice for image quality. the 14-150 or 14-140 cover all bases, and would make fine walk-around lenses, but not great for low-light, parties, etc. if I had the choice, I'd go with the m.zuiko, which I think is smaller/lighter.

                      ps - I'm not a pro at this by any means, so take my advice for what it's worth.
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                      • Fade to Black
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 5340

                        ....y'all crazy i never learned this much about a camera and lenses
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                        • birdytg
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 253

                          Originally posted by fncyths
                          It all depends on what your planning to shoot! Are you shooting architecture, street photography, landscapes, portraits, etc. And most important is do you like shooting a night. That'll help you with your lens quest. If you do like shooting at night then aperture is key!
                          Thanks to you Dane for your help, I do appreciate.
                          Thank you Fncyths as well!

                          As I previously said, I am going this summer in Cambodgia and especially in Siam Reap and will spend several days in Angkor sites than will go to Singapore for some more days.
                          So different situations, architecture, streets, people, landscapes, night and day...
                          I think I need a tropicalized camera and lens because it could happen raining a lot for one or two hours per day at this season...

                          I already have my own Canon 7D camera and several Canon lenses, but want to add something lighter and easy to bring with me everywhere as a second or third camera as I hope I will have made the purchase of my new Canon Eos 5D Mark III or Nikon D800. We will share the cameras between my wife and I.

                          What I like to shoot is really diversified, so I use to "play" (i don't dare saying "work") according series: architectures, people, nature, botanic... so as you can imagine that's make multiple situations that a lonely camera can not manage easily except if I accept changing lenses many times a day.
                          And further as I also like to shoot in low light exposure and night (I know we will go around 5 am in the temples to see the sunrise at least once, maybe twice), I need to get the right clear lens with maximum aperture quality. Which makes the price rising at the same time than the sun (!)
                          But I don't really care, I prefer to invest more but get a lens I will be able to keep for a long long time and which will keep at the top...
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                          • widmerpool
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 151

                            I think you should keep the zooms for your Canon. The point of the compact system is to be compact. Get a wideangle and a standard to start. M43 has a number of highly regarded primes. Most of the time the difference in zooming is just a couple of steps anyway, there's no real reason to be constantly changing lenses.

                            I wouldn't overthink the weatherproofing either. I've never had trouble with any cameras in the tropics or in Russia's filthy winters. When it rains in Cambodia you are going to want to be under an umbrella to shoot anything anyway, otherwise you'll have raindrops all over the front of the lens.
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                            • endersgame
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 1623

                              next level camera, right here folks..

                              The Descriptive Camera by NYU ITP grad student Matt Richardson is an experimental camera that only outputs a text description of whatever is photographed. It is powered by the Amazon Mechanical Turk crowdsourcing API—somewhere on the Internet a person sees the photo, describes it briefly, and the text is sent back to the camera for printing on a thermal printer. The process takes 3 to 6 minutes.



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                              • fncyths
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 775

                                Now this is how it's done!

                                Incredible clip about photographer Ian Ruhter and his process:

                                Silver & Light

                                This project was created with the same spirit that america was founded on. Our intentions are to connect everyone in america through the lens of this camera and…
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