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  • jippos
    Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 81

    Comme des Garcons - H&M



    There was already a thread somewhere, although it's probably a good thing that I couldn't find it.



    Here's an article in W about the collaboration:



    http://www.wmagazine.com/fashion/2008/09/comme_des_garcons



    Click the link, see a pic. It's not entirely clear, but I like what I see; very Comme.


















    Comme and Go

























    If Swedish fashion chain H&M, with its affordable duds for the
    whole family, is from Mars, then Rei Kawakubo?maverick Japanese maker
    of clothes with humps and of fragrances named Tar and Garage?is most
    certainly from Venus. So if their work together this November on a
    Comme des Garçons for H&M collection falls short of a marriage made
    in heaven, then it?s at least an affair to remember between unlikely
    fashion bedfellows?and one that has produced some very fetching
    clothes.





    ?Certainly we?re opposite,? Kawakubo says, her blunt, black bob
    shuddering as she shakes her head for emphasis. ?But I believe the
    success of H&M is that they not only start out on the basis of
    having to sell a lot of clothes at good prices to a lot of people; they
    also look for new ways of doing things, and that?s why I respect them.
    This idea of collaborating with designers?that?s something I can
    identify with.? And is there anything else she might share with the
    firm? ?That?s probably it: the common ground,? she retorts, fiddling
    with a ruffle on the sleeve of her jacket (that she wears backward over
    a striped T-shirt) while waiting for the next question.





    Limited though it may be, that common ground was enough on which to
    build a collection for women and men that is ?pure Comme des Garçons,?
    as Kawakubo describes it, her sparse Japanese translated into English
    by her husband, Adrian Joffe, who is also president of the Paris-based
    Comme des Garçons International. Mostly black and with Japanese tomboy
    airs, the H&M collection includes a range of tailored jackets, many
    deconstructed, along with cropped pants, baggy shorts and a variety of
    skirts in stretch wool. On the perkier side are polkadot knits in
    jersey or merino wool, colorful shirts?some with dots?and a ?showpiece?
    coatdress decorated here and there with dense Victorian ruffles. There
    are also accessories and a unisex perfume with notes of cedar and
    patchouli but, alas, no children?s wear, which H&M had promised
    when it announced the partnership this past April. ?We wanted something
    for kids, but she didn?t feel like it, so we didn?t,? is how H&M?s
    Margareta van den Bosch bluntly explains why that part of the project
    fizzled. ?They said no, and we respect that.?





    Otherwise, Kawakubo?s vision for H&M was a complete one,
    extending to the selling floor, with curved, red walls and custom
    fixtures demarcating the designer?s zone as surely as a UFO in a Kansas
    cornfield. Seated in Joffe?s bare-bones, glass-walled office, she grabs
    a pencil, sketches a circle and then carves it into sections,
    explaining that 20 H&M shops in major fashion capitals will get the
    whole pie, with less prominent or smaller locations receiving only
    certain slices. Kawakubo also exerted tight control over the
    advertising, even though her first proposal was scrapped by H&M
    because it didn?t show any clothes. (This is typical in her world,
    where ads for the Comme des Garçons Shirt collection might show toy
    robots or dogs on a bench?all images purchased from under-the-radar
    artists.)





    Given Kawakubo?s fearless, avant-garde approach to design and
    business, her tie-up with H&M was bound to produce more bristling
    than the retailer?s previous joint-label ventures with Roberto Cavalli,
    Stella McCartney and Karl Lagerfeld. ?What?s interesting about
    collaborations is the possibility for one plus one to equal three,?
    Kawakubo says, warming up to the topic. ?It?s interesting for me to
    sell Comme des Garçons in places it?s never been sold before, to people
    who might not have heard of Comme des Garçons.? Not that she ever
    approaches such a project as a brainstorming or a meeting of the minds.
    It?s more the case of a willful designer making a strong proposition
    with a partner who brings something new to the table, like production
    know-how or distribution muscle. A recent example is the elite Fastskin
    LZR Racer swimsuit for Speedo, for which Comme des Garçons created
    graphics while Speedo crafted the suits, billed as the fastest ever;
    this claim proved controversial. ?For me there?s no compromise,?the
    designer says. ?I do what I want, and they do whatever I couldn?t do
    myself.?






    Kawakubo is a consummate fashion indie, designing collections and
    running her business on her own terms since she launched her label in
    Tokyo in 1969. If she wants blistering punk rock or no music at all at
    her fashion show, or if she feels like showing skirts and no tops one
    season, so be it. She always begins with the concept, with little
    regard for the commercial consequences. (And incidentally, her infamous
    pillow collection that distorted various body parts with assorted lumps
    and bumps ?wasn?t a best-seller, no,? she concedes.) ?Our business is
    creation,? she says, now fidgeting with a pair of black sunglasses. ?I
    couldn?t begin to do anything if the first thing I thought about was
    the selling of it.? Kawakubo allows that Play Comme des Garçons, a line
    of T-shirts, polos and cardigans that she introduced in 2002, is very
    commercial, yet ?the starting point was not to sell a lot of it. The
    starting point of this concept of Play was that it?s not designed?even
    that was a concept.?





    At its headquarters in Stockholm, H&M starts each business day
    with a much different set of priorities, given that the retail giant
    operates more than 1,500 stores­?stocked with 100 percent lump-free
    clothes­?in 29 countries. Yet its customers will get a taste of
    deconstruction come November. Van den Bosch, an H&M consultant who
    helmed the design department for 30 years and masterminded its designer
    projects, is a longtime fan of Kawakubo, lauding her ?unisex attitude
    toward fashion? and her ?mix between elegant and quite sporty? clothes.
    Not coincidentally, the Kawakubo collection will arrive in stores just
    as H&M plants its first outlets in Japan: one in Ginza, another in
    hypertrendy Harajuku and a third coming next year in Shibuya. ?She?s
    really respected by people in Japan,? says van den Bosch, a woman of
    few words with a penchant for dark clothing, much like Kawakubo.
    ?They?ll be really happy about this collaboration.? For the rest of the
    world, Rei Kawakubo and Comme des Garçons are hardly household names,
    but neither were Viktor Horsting and Rolf Snoeren of Viktor & Rolf,
    guest designers for H&M?s 2006 holiday promotion. ?It makes our
    brand stronger by doing surprising things and different things, and we
    also get different customers in the shop,? van den Bosch says. As for
    the clothing, regardless of a few exposed seams and some boiled wool,
    ?it?s not difficult in itself for our customers,? she says. ?The
    collection looks really great.?






    Kawakubo says she didn?t water down her designs for the mass market,
    but she does acknowledge that ?it?s an attempt to sell to the wider
    public.? Musing on the strength of fast-fashion chains today, which
    compete with designer brands, she says: ?I think they have their
    rightful place in the world. Not everyone necessarily needs new things
    all the time and creative designs. It?s good to have luxury restaurants
    and fast-food restaurants. You need both.? Indeed, Kawakubo has checked
    out her low-price competition, notably Uniqlo and Gap, although she
    hasn?t bought anything from either store. And she can be critical of a
    marketing-driven approach to the fashion business. ?Even companies that
    start out wanting to sell first are not necessarily successful,? she
    notes. ?For me, it?s a long-term process. What doesn?t sell today might
    sell tomorrow.?





    Certain fast-fashion chains are known to ape runway looks and steal
    designers? ideas, but on this point Kawakubo is as calm as a lake. She
    harbors no anger toward such pilferers and insists they?ve never
    knocked her off ?perhaps with good reason. ?It?s strange that they
    would copy Comme des Garçons clothes,? she pronounces without even a
    hint of a smile. ?They don?t sell that well."


































































































































































  • Johnny
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2006
    • 1923

    #2
    Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M



    Thanks for the article. The clothes look nice. Kira, can you find a "vindicated" emoticon? [75]

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    • Avantster
      ¤¤¤
      • Sep 2006
      • 1983

      #3
      Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M



      The original discussion was in the CdG Universe thread here.



      Johnny, are you sure this isn't the one you're after? Haha, OK, jokes aside. This looks better than I thought it would.



      No printed tees so far, thank you.













      let us raise a toast to ancient cotton, rotten voile, gloomy silk, slick carf, decayed goat, inflamed ram, sooty nelton, stifling silk, lazy sheep, bone-dry broad & skinny baffalo.

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      • laika
        moderator
        • Sep 2006
        • 3787

        #4
        Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M

        [quote user="Johnny"]

        Thanks for the article. The clothes look nice. Kira, can you find a "vindicated" emoticon? [75]



        [/quote]



        I agree. They look really nice, actually. And Rei sounds sincerely plain spoken, almost down to earth. Vindicated indeed. [73]



        thanks for the article!

        ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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        • Johnny
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2006
          • 1923

          #5
          Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M



          Avanster thanks for the further pics. That's a good emoticon but I still maintain it's not appropriate!




          I guess this looks like comme comme. It is to me very much the signature rei look for women that she's developed over the last 5 years or so, and it's pretty good that she's just adopted that for this collab. It looks really good to me.

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          • Barims
            Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 45

            #6
            Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M

            Saw the pics on Fashion Spot a few weeks ago. It is indeed signature stuff from Rei, but it works as a gateway into the Comme lines. Do wonder what forms the menswear will take - inspired by Homme Plus, Shirt and Homme Deux perhaps?




            Enjoyed the article and her reasoning is pretty sound


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            • Faust
              kitsch killer
              • Sep 2006
              • 37852

              #7
              Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M

              Vindicated? How?[76]
              Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

              StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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              • Johnny
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2006
                • 1923

                #8
                Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M

                haha. i suspect that the fact that you've asked means it would be futile to try to answer. i just think the clothes look good, there aren't any print tees, it looks very cdg, so i'm not sure what's wrong with it. i'm sure there is loads though.....

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                • Faust
                  kitsch killer
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 37852

                  #9
                  Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M

                  Hehe, just messing with you.[75] It's hard to tell anything from these pictures. Anyway, I doubt (m)any of us will be waiting for hours and crashing the store displays for this one.
                  Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

                  StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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                  • Johnny
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 1923

                    #10
                    Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M



                    [Y] yip, probably not. i'd be surprised if anyone on SZ would be so uncool as ever to get into such a frenzied state of gibbering excitement aboutmere clothes, that's only for the unwashed masses.

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                    • Faust
                      kitsch killer
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 37852

                      #11
                      Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M

                      [quote user="Johnny"]

                      [Y] yip, probably not. i'd be surprised if anyone on SZ would be so uncool as ever to get into such a frenzied state of gibbering excitement aboutmere clothes, that's only for the unwashed masses.



                      [/quote]



                      Well, we get excited, but in civilized ways (most of the time).

                      Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

                      StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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                      • drexl
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 798

                        #12
                        Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M



                        More pics are up!

























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                        • Faust
                          kitsch killer
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 37852

                          #13
                          Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M

                          Ok, now I can say that these look good. [Y] Love the Rei haircut on the female model (should've done the same for the male).
                          Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

                          StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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                          • kira
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 2353

                            #14
                            Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M

                            [quote user="laika"][quote user="Johnny"]

                            Thanks for the article. The clothes look nice. Kira, can you find a "vindicated" emoticon? [75]



                            [/quote]



                            I agree. They look really nice, actually. And Rei sounds sincerely plain spoken, almost down to earth. Vindicated indeed. [73]



                            thanks for the article!



                            [/quote]



                            been looking Johnny and I think Laika's is the best. [73] was trying to find one that just nods once but still cant find it...




                            Distraction is an obstruction of the construction.

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                            • kira
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 2353

                              #15
                              Re: Comme des Garcons - H&M



                              [quote user="Faust"]Ok, now I can say that these look good. [Y] Love the Rei haircut on the female model (should've done the same for the male).
                              [/quote]



                              keeping in mind that it is for H&M, I agree. I just dont get into polka dots though... I am trying to understand them, but having a hard time. I can't not help but think of clowns when I see them. [74] Even though I know that is not the feeling here at all. Think it would be great to see the male model's hair done like the female. But her eyes kind of freak me out...

                              Distraction is an obstruction of the construction.

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