LINGERIE

[LustMord]

...just because I like it...




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[ronin]

Oh god. I love lingerie, especially vintage lingerie which allows your body to wear outfits which totally outrange your natural body proportions - as much of an alienation to the woman's body as it can be, I find it fabulous as a tool to create a new silhouette. I managed to squeeze into those amazing dresses made for girls with measurements that barely exist today, all thanks to those ingenuous corseted undergarments.
The level of detail in embroideries and lace patterns also regularly amazes me. I find details in underwear particularly appealing, it's like an outfit under the outfit, something that you only know about and that you can pay all the attention you want to without having to showcase it to outer eyes, it's like a way to translate your deep feelings without sharing them.
But that Victoria's secret stuff the page opened on, that seriously made be want to puke. I find it so tacky and tasteless. I don't know if it's the colours, cheap looking polyester or just the sparkles in the background but never will I be caught dead wearing the likes of it.

[LustMord]

Thank you Ronin, for your thoughts....
As you may see...I totaly agree with you.
I think especialy the effect, that you wear lingerie for yourself is very strong. Its also funny when you buy something and went out of the shop, knowing that in this tinny paperbag you carry things more expensiv than you wear at this day. :)


kindly Lu


P.S.
The Victoria Secret things are just a joke :)

[BeauIXI]

Patriarchally-saturated inmates' undergarments for non-critical thinkers.

I suppose it's made to attract droves of mouth breathers dripping with "Cool Ice" cologne.

[galia]

I get the body-control thing Ronin, and I understand what would be attractive about it
for me, I like my body as it is and can easily wear whatever I want, so I don't see the point really, but you make a good case for it

[rider]

makes for great editorials but honestly the prettier it is the more uncomfortable it usually is, so you need body control.

[galia]

I mean that I don't find it unattractive to wear plain panties and nothing else. I'd rather control my body through exercise and dieting. The whole idea of conventional sexy makes me giggle, even though I'm no hairy feminist

[ronin]

I understand your view, Galia. I will never see lingerie as a way to achieve a body that is closer to my expectations (at least I hope so), as you named it there are other ways to do that. As a body control freak I hope I will never come to rely on lingerie for that. I don't want to have a 54cm waist, I'm not interested and I would not like my body to be this way, but I like the fact that I can make it that way for a certain time. I often see undergarments advertised as a way to conceal flaws, and I don't feel comfortable with that. If I want to get rid of my flaws, it is to be comfortable in my own body all the time, not to become more attractive in the eyes of other people when I'm wearing something, but the latter is the only thing lingerie will ever do for that matter. I feel like because of this, the body control possibilities of lingerie have been downgraded to concealing things that you don't like about your body, or that the society you live in disapproves, and I think there is more to it than this. Of course undergarments were conceived to achieve this at a certain time, but in a different sociocultural context it becomes emancipated from this unique goal.
It can also have an impact on the clothing you wear. I feel like I wear many dresses better with a slip underneath, because it minimizes the drawbacks that certain fabrics, albeit beautiful, can have.

In a way I feel like lingerie is not necessarily linked to sexiness to me. I find some of the components of conventionally sexy lingerie intrisically aesthetically appealing. I don't see anything wrong with wearing plain undergaments, and from what several guys told me doing so will not take away any sexual connotations or sexiness if they want to see it. A friend told me that what he liked the most when his girlfriend wore what could be called sexy lingerie, is the thought that she made herself especially pretty for him. The thing is, I never wear lingerie for anyone, that thought alone makes me uncomfortable. So, I guess there is more to lingerie than what we commonly say about it. Gosh I'm tired, I'm probably just saying bullshit.

[Heirloom]

i'm so gay. But then again, I think everyone would become gay watching a victorias secret show.

[mesh]

Kuni hast?

[Heirloom]

Kuni hast?

you slow? I just told you.

[mesh]

jedee? toro khoda arash joon khafe sho baba

[tweeds]

margiela shoulders


Andres Sarda

[whitney]

not wearing any undergarments can be liberating..but i think its still important to have lingerie to help shape (not necessary restrict but support)

i agree victoria secret for the most part sucks but they had this one bra that is sadly discontinued and it was freaking awesome. cotton, lace, semi demi, push up without padding. it was the perfect everyday bra for me. in fact--when they decided to discontinue it i stocked up and brought as much as i could in my size..so i still have a good dozen left even though its been three years. crazy. i've had to throw away quite a few since the elasticity only lasts so long. and it really helped after i went braless (not cos i wanted to) for more then a half a year.. um.. i just think that bras help you look a lot better braless? and if i'm going to have something that is that intimate with my body i better damn well like how it looks. somedays i feel casual and some days i feel like enticing..and even though *most* people won't see it--it affects my mood just as much as the clothes i wear.

as for lingerie that help you 'squeeze' into dresses your body normally otherwise wouldn't be able to..isn't that like..false advertisement? you greet the guy at the door, and he thinks, 'man, she's got a smokin' body!' and then he unzips you and it sorta just all hangs out..?

[Test]

False advertising is brutal but it makes sense. That's why people don't reveal awful things about themselves until a little while into a relationship. Have to build that love then exploit it.

Lingerie never gets me really going. It's very nice to look at but... really it's always just the girl.