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    Someone started that thread on a french forum where Chant, Dndy, Mail-Moth and I sometime post. It's a stupid exercise but really makes you think about what it means about you if you're being academic and going for the Canon or rejecting the diktats of bourgeois good taste by listing dark horse comics.

    My top 10 films went something like this (not very good, too consensual):

    Le Samouraï (Melville)
    Un condamné à mort s'est échappé (A man escaped) (Bresson)
    Vertigo (Hitchcock)
    À bout de souffle (Breathless) (Godard)
    Sans soleil (Marker)
    Les amants réguliers (Regular lovers) (Garrel)
    The mission (To)
    The battle of Algiers (Pontecorvo)
    La maman et la putain (the mother and the whore) (Eustache)
    Rashomon (Kurosawa)

    Top 10 books was more interesting as I discarded a lot and went for photography books, hard boiled lit and even mangas.

    Nana (Yazawa, teenage girls manga)
    Exhibit A (Bourdin)
    People of the 20th century (Sander)
    120, rue de la Gare (Malet)
    Fatale (Manchette)
    Éloges (Saint-John Perse)
    Vol de nuit (Saint-Exupéry)
    King-rat (Clavell)
    The Case of Charles Dexter Ward (Lovecraft)
    Mythologies (Barthes)

    Of course I'm sorta sad I didn't include Proust, Derrida or Bataille but it's much more revealing that way.
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    le samourai (melville)
    taxi driver (scorsese)
    fingers (toback)
    winter light (bergman)
    nostalghia (tarkovsky)
    point blank (boorman)
    chinatown (polanski)
    branded to kill (suzuki)
    le notte (antonioni)
    +3 would be thin red line (malick), blue velvet (despite my huge dislike of lynch) and belly (williams)

    my list of films at first thought, which is even more consensual. but, i am always feeling the need to recontextualize 'favorites'. i guess it's worth noting that there are major omissions of films from filmmakers that would be in my top 10, with the exception of antonioni (for example ozu), but i suppose that may make sense due to body of work and sensibilities being put into consideration (but should they be?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mass View Post
    le samourai (melville)
    taxi driver (scorsese)
    fingers (toback)
    winter light (bergman)
    nostalghia (tarkovsky)
    point blank (boorman)
    chinatown (polanski)
    branded to kill (suzuki)
    le notte (antonioni)
    +3 would be thin red line (malick), blue velvet (despite my huge dislike of lynch) and belly (williams)

    my list of films at first thought, which is even more consensual. but, i am always feeling the need to recontextualize 'favorites'. i guess it's worth noting that there are major omissions of films from filmmakers that would be in my top 10, with the exception of antonioni (for example ozu), but i suppose that may make sense due to body of work and sensibilities being put into consideration (but should they be?).
    I'm starting to like Mizoguchi more than Ozu and maybe more than Kurosawa, is that wrong? Fingers is an interesting choice. As you can see it's very hard to say something about yourself within the 10 movie format. Oh and I didn't like Point blank unlike pretty much everyone else I've met who've seen the film.

    Other notes: I should have had an Antonioni, a DePalma and some other good stuff.
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    haha i did this for a friend not long ago.

    narrative films:

    Fire Walk With Me / Inland Empire - Lynch
    The Wild Bunch / Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia - Peckinpah
    Andrei Rublev / Stalker - Tarkovsky
    F For Fake - Wells
    Underground - Kustarica
    Badlands - Malick
    Irreversible - Noe
    Gospel According to Saint Matthew - Pasolini
    A Clockwork Orange / 2001 - Kubrick
    Birth of a Nation / Intolerance - Griffith
    M - Lang
    Tommy - Ken Russell
    Hunger - Steve McQueen
    The Damned - Visconti

    documentaries:

    Hotel Terminus
    17 Blocks from Tiffany's
    Hora de los Hornos
    The California Reich
    Terror's Advocate
    Blood in the Face
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    Here's mine

    Werckmeister Harmonies - Bela Tarr
    Ivan's Childhood / Stalker - Andrei Tarkovsky
    A Clockwork Orange - Stanley Kubrick
    Chungking Express / In The Mood For Love - Wong Kar-wai
    Wings Of Desire - Wim Wenders
    À Bout De Souffle / Bande à Part - Jean-Luc Godard
    The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover - Peter Greenaway
    Japón - Carlos Reygadas
    Blow Up - Michelangelo Antonioni
    Oldboy - Park Chan-wook

    Don't ask me tomorrow, i'll be pretty sure the list will change

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    wut? how come 40 year old virgin hasn't been mentioned yet?

    edit: didn't credit the director, so just ignore me!

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    fiction:

    brothers karamazov - dostoevsky
    pure + index - peter sotos
    hunger - knut hamsun
    try - dennis cooper
    philosophy in the bedroom + 120 days of sodom - the divine marquis
    camp of the saints - jean raspail
    blood meridien - cormac mccarthy
    invisible man - ralph ellison
    the whisperer in darkness - lovecraft
    atrocity exhibition + unlimited dream company - j.g. ballard (r.i.p.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mass View Post
    belly (williams)
    interesting that you list this film. it struck me as having an ethereal and odd beauty that transcended its surface heavy-handedness. even the name of the film is imbued with this quality. there is that weird scene with nas that reenacts his famous verse. now i want to see it again.

    edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnwbTq2tMCc (nas scene)
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    Films:

    Last Tango in Paris (Bertolucci)
    Taxi Driver (Scorsese)
    Blue Velvet (Lynch)
    The Godfather Part II (Coppola)
    Y Tu Mama Tambien (Cuaron)
    Days of Being Wild (Wong)
    The Shining (Kubrick)
    Heat (Mann)
    Punch Drunk Love (Anderson)
    Paris, Texas (Wenders)

    edit - took out Dumb and Dumber, it's genuinely my favorite laugh out loud comedy ever, but PDL by PTA felt closer to my personal sensibilities. Of the pathetic, marginalized and frustrated anger present in a lot of characterizations of 90s and post- slapstick comedies, Sandler never did a better job than in that film. He could've made just that film and it would be fine standing in for anything else he's done, pretty much.

    On a similar vein, 40 year old virgin isn't top 10 material but it's a fine film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKA*NYC View Post
    haha i did this for a friend not long ago.


    Badlands - Malick
    i just saw this not long ago, a perfectly concise (not to mention photographic) film where pretty much everything is just right. it'd have a place on my list if extended to 20...other than the top 5 or so films my 'favorites' is often interchangeable with additions/deletions.

    wonder how come Malick made so few films over so many years...i remember seeing The Thin Red Line as a kid and not really understanding it (at the time I thought Saving Private Ryan was the more watchable film, hah)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fade to Black View Post
    i just saw this not long ago, a perfectly concise (not to mention photographic) film where pretty much everything is just right. it'd have a place on my list if extended to 20...other than the top 5 or so films my 'favorites' is often interchangeable with additions/deletions.

    wonder how come Malick made so few films over so many years...i remember seeing The Thin Red Line as a kid and not really understanding it (at the time I thought Saving Private Ryan was the more watchable film, hah)
    to me badlands is the best of the american "auteur" films. imo your childhood intuition was spot on. saving private ryan is vastly better than thin red line. badlands notwithstanding i think terrence malick is the second most overrated filmmaker in the world, the first being john cassavettes (bono of independent film). you saw thin red line as a kid? makes me feel old.
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    Top 10 books (very obvious):

    Palm at the End of the Mind - Stevens
    Montaigne's Essays
    Thank You Jeeves - Wodehouse
    The Magic Mountain - Mann
    Tom Jones - Fielding
    Ulysses - Joyce
    Lucky Jim - Amis
    Lolita - Nabokov
    Collected Works - Shakespeare
    Brighton Rock - Greene

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    (Work in process)

    Top 10 books

    Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
    Heart of a Dog - Bulgakov
    Immortality - Kundera
    The Fall - Camus
    Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man - Joyce
    Kafka's short stories (hard pressed to find a fave)
    The Road - McCarthy
    1984 - Orwell
    Zen and the Art of Motorcyle Maintenance - Pirsig
    The Little Prince - Exupery

    P.S. I think we should also include top 10 albums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKA*NYC View Post
    to me badlands is the best of the american "auteur" films. imo your childhood intuition was spot on. saving private ryan is vastly better than thin red line. badlands notwithstanding i think terrence malick is the second most overrated filmmaker in the world, the first being john cassavettes (bono of independent film). you saw thin red line as a kid? makes me feel old.
    coincidentally i think spielberg is one of the most overrated filmmakers ever. what's wrong with cassavettes?

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    Yeah I've never thought of Cassavettes as overrated, Shadows would be pretty close to making my top 10. Spielberg is definitely overrated, although I did find Schindler's List mediocre which is more than I can say for any of Tarantino's films.

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    here is my Pleb list :

    Bottle Rocket (Wes Andersen)
    In the mood for Love (Wong Kar Wai)
    To Live (Zhang Yimou)
    Head On (Fatih Akin)
    Muriels Wedding (Hogan)
    Betty Blue (Beineix)
    Princess & Warrior (Tykwer)
    E Sunshine o/t Spotless Mind (Gondry)
    Damage (Malle)
    Blue (Kieslowski)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mass View Post
    coincidentally i think spielberg is one of the most overrated filmmakers ever. what's wrong with cassavettes?
    is spielberg even considered a filmmaker?

    i find cassavettes' early more famous films boring and devoid of rigor although i sort of like his later crime dramas. to me robert downey sr. and samuel fuller are far more interesting. but i'm not suggesting cassavettes is bad, just disproportionately lionized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKA*NYC View Post
    try - dennis cooper
    I've read almost everything from dennis cooper except try - will order soon. nice to see someone on SZ reading dennis cooper!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faust View Post
    (Work in process)

    Top 10 books

    The Fall - Camus
    This is undoubtedly in the top 5 for me. I know a few people who claim to be Camus fans who don't like the monologue approach to it but I think it definitely adds to the intense character development.

    When I read it back in college, it taught me a very valuable lesson almost immediately: You learn a lot more about people by listening to them than talking to them.
    If you listen, they'll tell you everything. Even things you don't want to know.
    Amazing book though.
    'A Happy Death' is number one on my list even though many people felt it was a failure when it was released (I guess as a first novel compared to his more celebrated works).
    But even as a study for 'The Stranger,' as a first novel it was life changing for me.
    And I had a huge conversation tonight about 'The Plague' in regard to the spreading of the Swine Flu.

    Here's mine:

    1. A Happy Death - Camus
    2. Nausea - Sartre
    3. The Fall - Camus
    4. As I Lay Dying - Faulkner
    5. Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - Joyce
    6. Secret History - Tartt
    7. Crum - Lee Maynard
    8. White Nights - Dostoevsky (short story)
    9. The Stories of Breece D'J Pancake - Breece D'J Pancake
    10. Picture of Dorian Gray - Wilde (prefer his short stories but for the sake of lists)

    For casual reading, I prefer stuff with a lot of local color, dialect and things of that nature. I grew up in a small appalachian town so I can relate to shit like that.
    Oh, and to be honest, some of my favorite stuff I've read have been excerpts from diaries, journals, letters and short stories.

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