Raf Simons

[jap808]

Seems link no-one has already posted it, but... Raf's bored of fashion:
http://www.elle.com/fashion/a26768/m...se-raf-simons/

[Faust]

So, apparently Raf finally came out of the closet. A casual mention in the new issue of POP.

[superlatens]

So, apparently Raf finally came out of the closet. A casual mention in the new issue of POP.

Did it surprise anyone?

[Faust]

Not me, but I think it's there first time his sexual orientation was established beyond reasonable doubt. And he did date Veronique Branquinho.

[nunoris]

Does anyone have ID or better pictures on these pants?

[Faust]

I remember this image, but don't remember the credit. I am quite sure that the pants are not RS.

[mrbeuys]

That's definitely my favourite men's fashion editorial ever. I have it at home and can have a look. It mixed a lot of stuff, Raf, vintage Lang, Givenchy, etc. and some "stylist's own" stuff. Will have a look.

[Verdandi]

That's an editoral from Arena Homme Plus. Shot by McLellan and styled by Panos. Pants/Leggins are Givenchy if I remember correctly.

[Faust]

/\ That's what I thought as well.

[nunoris]

Thanks! I found these:

[gregor]

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/10/raf-...tian-dior.html

leaving dior now, while coming it would seem.

[patR]

Raf speaks with Cathy Horyn on the speed of fashion:

http://www.businessoffashion.com/art...m-not-thinking

"Fashion became pop. I can’t make up my mind if that’s a good or a bad thing. The only thing I know is that it used to be elitist. And I don’t know if one should be ashamed or not to admit that maybe it was nicer when it was more elitist, not for everybody. Now high fashion is for everybody."

[Faust]

I also liked this quote

"Everything is so easily accessible, and because of that you don’t make a lot of effort anymore. When we were young, you had to make up your mind to investigate something — because it took time. You really had to search and dig deep. Now if something interests you, one second later, you can have it. And also one second later you also drop it."

[underdog]

Quote makes me think of a young Rodney Mullen - growing up in a small town in Florida, knowing the best skateboarders in the world are in California and only seeing slight glimpses in hard to find magazines. He was very self disciplined and trained relentlessly before taking a trip to a contest in California. From the first moment he arrived he was by far the best in the world for over a decade simply because he didn't really know or see what was on the other side of the wall and became the most innovative person in skateboarding history. Phenomenons like this are completely lost to the world now and it is a detriment.

[Defender]

If any of you are interested (I am not), they made a documentary, Dior and I, about Raf's making of the first Dior haute couture collection.

I just watched this last night on Netflix.

I have never been a big Raf fan, but after watching this movie, and seeing him cry over a fabric print and how well it looked on a girl walking the show, I've reallllllllllllly got a soft spot for him now.

He is a true artist who is passionate about his work on a level to which I aspire, and I have to respect that. It actually makes me want to buy into his designs.

As a separate aside, it was interesting to see him so openly ripping off other artists for his designs (Sterling Ruby paintings turned into fabrics) and his show decorations (Jeff Koons' flower covered puppy for the walls of the first couture show). Everyone knows art is stealing the best parts of the culture around you and synthesizing it into your own work to move the culture forward, but it was refreshing that they let it be documented as a blatant incorporation without reference into his show.

[mrbeuys]

Uhm, Sterling Ruby was a collaboration. Don't see how that's ripping off?

[Defender]

Uhm, Sterling Ruby was a collaboration. Don't see how that's ripping off?

In the movie they show him going to a museum, seeing the piece, having people print off a large copy on paper, wrapping it around a woman, and then having people make a fabric out of it. They never showed him contacting the artist or making a licensing agreement or anything like that. Maybe they did, but they didn't show it, and I don't follow Raf, so I didn't know.

The point that artists distill the work of other artists stands, I suppose, regardless of whether there was an official collaboration.

[Faust]

Dude, are you on drugs today or what?

You don't know Raf, don't know people close to him - you make bombastic statements based on "documentary" scenes. Jesus. How do you know they did not contact the artist? Just because they don't show it? How do you know that the art they used is even copyrighted?

I know for a fact, for example, that when Raf used a musician's piece in a Dior show, they paid a licensing fee.

[Nickefuge]

Nothing connected to anything that is now," said Raf Simons. "This has been nine years in the making," he added of the show he presented tonight with artist Sterling Ruby. That's how long the two have been friends[...]

Taken from Vogue.

This means they must´ve known each other since 2005, way before Raf’s debut at Dior.

[Defender]

Honestly, whether he knows him or made a deal is irrelevant. If he's using another man's art for a print on a dress...that's one artist taking the work of another and using it in his own. That's all I was saying. I called it "ripping off" because that's what it is...there are a lot of people who might see the dress and not know that there is a connection between the artists...but that's how art works. All I was saying is that it was nice to see one artist using another as inspiration in two distinct applications.

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out. What I write here isn't fucking gospel that needs to be read through like the Torah and studied for inaccuracies and misinterpretations. It's just chatting on a fucking message board about a movie I saw last night.