5252 You need to understand that these are old dogs here who admired Raf in his golden age. As you already stated you didnt grow up listening to JD, same as me.
I think that if you look the whole raf evolution going from early cuts, strong politcal and cultural references to gorillas, snakes towels; you see the downfall, you just cant deny it.
The refernece to the subculture in past collections is now gone.
He still pulls off some interesting things on his and Jil label that i buy on sale. But as Faust stated those are just nice pants, shirts.
Talking about clean and geo lines you cant go wrong with contemporary raf.
The magic is lost.