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  • Stijn
    Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 79

    #61
    Originally posted by BBSCCP View Post
    sorry to be a bit off-topic, but can anybody explain me "the fame" of beirendonck? I know he´s one of the antwerp six, but when looking at his collection it´s in the same league as dsquared to me... can´t understand how to like his aesthetics, especially when you are a student at the university...
    Beirendonck is from a total different world than dsquared.
    Dsquared's aesthetic is based on a mixture of porn, camp, and uninspired mediocrity, Beirendonck on the other hand has really created a language of his own.. even though it's not that popular on this forum..

    I'm not that much into his aesthetics as well, but stating that is in the same league as dsquared doesn't do his work justice.

    (apologies for double-post)

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    • #62
      Antwerp doesn't care about their students after they graduate, and so far I haven't heard of any students getting work solely because they went to the school. Those who do well do well because they make the contacts themselves. The exposure through the final show isn't that great, and i see a lot of unimpressed students dropping out because they see a disconnection between what is considered good in the school, and what works in the industry. The teachers are unaware of what is going on in the fashion industry at this point, and don't seem very interested or updated. Mentioning Rick Owens to a teacher is like talking to your mother about him. In one way it's nice, because in theory it should leave more room for your own personal expression, and to find a more unique solution to your design concept/ problem, but then they meddle too much with exactly how we do it. They claim that they're not about just clothes, but often during my feedback sessions they completely ignore my ideas and concepts behind what I do, and look at the sketches and give suggestions that make no sense whatsoever to what i've been trying to explain. This part has been very frustrating.

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      • #63
        Stijn, you should definetly apply to fashion as well, we even have 18-yearolds from korea coming that don't know the language at all, and with very bad english, first time from home, and they do well, so do not be afraid of applying!!!

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        • Stijn
          Member
          • Jun 2011
          • 79

          #64
          Yeah maybe I should just apply, I can always try of course :)! And I speak dutch so that's one problem less..

          I think it is weird for teachers to not know what is going on in the fashion world. They should at least have knowledge about it for the purpose of teaching, but for them to lack a natural curiosity too, seems kinda contradictory (imo). I really didn't expect this from Antwerp..

          Maybe Stylezeitgeist should start it's own fashion school (alongside the dating service and ninja-hiring opportunities)

          And I'm sorry to hear it's not working out for you, Heirloom, but I'm sure someone as dedicated as you will find a way. (btw I do have a few questions I think you could help me with, I'll send you a pm tomorrow or something)

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          • snafu
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2008
            • 2135

            #65
            interesting article :

            She's irascible, opinionated, staggeringly blunt. But her fashion students wouldn't have it any other way. Kate Finnigan meets the starmaker-in-chief at Central Saint Martins.
            .

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            • longwalker
              Junior Member
              • Jul 2012
              • 2

              #66
              just one, the best Royal academy of fine ares. anterwip

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              • ProfMonnitoff
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 556

                #67
                Does anyone have first-hand experience with Bunka? I'm interested in applying, but the requirements for foreign applicants seem pretty much impossible to meet.
                Originally posted by jogu
                i went out to take garbage out and froze my tits runnin down stairs , think im gonna chill at home tonite . hungry tho anyone have cool ideas on what to order for supper , not pizza tho sick of pizza

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                • van Diem
                  Junior Member
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 6

                  #68
                  Last edited by van Diem; 07-18-2022, 12:41 PM.

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                  • kagitsune
                    Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 48

                    #69
                    Originally posted by ProfMonnitoff View Post
                    Does anyone have first-hand experience with Bunka? I'm interested in applying, but the requirements for foreign applicants seem pretty much impossible to meet.
                    I lived in Japan during the summer of 2009, and I spent a day at the Bunka open house. Incredible. That tour convinced me to drop out of engineering school and finally study fashion at FIT (great school -- real focus on building a technical background).

                    After the tour, I talked with one of the people who works with foreign exchange students. She recommended that I get a two-year degree in the states first (and work on my Japanese ^^; ), and then come back and study at Bunka.

                    But funny story... pretty sure most of the people on this forum don't know the brand h.Naoto... he has an aesthetic that's been really pseudo-punk/lolita/Harajuku street wear in the past, but he's been moving towards a more extreme/designer market lately (and how I love it so). Anyway, the designer did a talk at FIT as part of the "Japan Fashion Now" symposium since his work was in the exhibit.

                    The curator, Valere Steele, is a huge fan of his work, and she introduced me to him after his talk. I spoke with him about wanting to study at Bunka, where he studied and occasionally teaches. In his characteristically un-Japanese manner, he flat-out told me, "Don't go there. FIT is better. The students at Bunka don't really study... they just hang around." (lololol)

                    So yeah. Mr. Naoto's comments seem to match up the general rule at Japanese colleges - students work like crazy during high school to get into their college of choice, but once they're there, they already know much of what they're gonna teach them, so they just schmooze with the professors with connections to their favorite companies. I know Yohji and Rei studied there, but they're some pretty major outliers.

                    tl;dr version: Whichever school you go to, you'll only get as much out of it as you put into it. When you enroll, spend your free time making patterns. Go to the library. Intern. Talk to people. And Bunka's not the only Japanese fashion school. Also check out Mode Gakuen and others.

                    EDIT: also, if you are serious about designing, manufacturing, and marketing your clothes, go to Fashion-Incubator and read everything she has to say. Be ready to have all your assumptions dashed. You have been warned.
                    Last edited by kagitsune; 08-27-2012, 09:03 AM. Reason: more to say
                    Originally posted by Yohji Yamamoto, on his second Paris show
                    From the next collection it became a war. I didn't want a war but too much attack made me fight.' And you are a good fighter, I say, referring to his black belt in karate. 'I am,' he nods.

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                    • ProfMonnitoff
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 556

                      #70
                      Bernhard Willhelm's contract with the University of Applied Arts in Vienna is ending next year. No official announcements yet, but word around town is his successor will be Haider Ackermann.
                      Originally posted by jogu
                      i went out to take garbage out and froze my tits runnin down stairs , think im gonna chill at home tonite . hungry tho anyone have cool ideas on what to order for supper , not pizza tho sick of pizza

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                      • i-d-g
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 113

                        #71
                        Reviving this thread because I'm stuck at a crossroads.

                        I'm looking at schools for undergraduate study, and I've decided that FIT is the most realistic option for me.

                        I really want to study menswear design, but the program for that that FIT offers is only a 2 year degree. My other option is studying fashion design there, which is a standard 4 year degree.

                        I'm hesitant to go into the menswear program because I do not feel like 2 years is enough time to develop and grow, but at the same time I am hesitant to go into the fashion design program because I know that designing womenswear/knitwear/whatever is not exactly what I want to be doing.

                        If anyone could offer any information about the different career options between the two programs, it'd be really helpful. Also, if you have had any involvement or know someone who has, it'd be helpful if you could offer some information.
                        “Man has somehow always feared this search, and I fear it even now. Suppose all man ever does is search for the reason, crosses oceans, sacrifices his life in the search; but to search it out, actually to find it, he’s afraid. For he senses that once he finds it, there will be nothing to search for.”

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                        • a.r
                          Junior Member
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 1

                          #72
                          Hi :), this is my first post here. I hope someone could help me with my problem. I wonder what kinds of works should include fashion portfolio to Antwerp Royal Academy? I don’t know what works they want and require – more traditional art: paintings, drawings, graphics, photography; or only fashion designs, fashion illustrations, photography of clothes ? I would be grateful for help.

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                          • Mrama
                            Junior Member
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 15

                            #73
                            I'm going to also vouch for SAIC (School of the Art Institute of Chicago)
                            After much research I'm currently attending the school and undergoing the fashion department. The course itself involves a great amount of dedication and rigor, I feel as if the school also does prepare designers for the industry. Many fashion alumni who have gone through SAIC have proven its worth. Such as Matthew Ames, Gary Graham, Shane Gabier, and many more. Current faculty members include the likes of Anke Loh from Antwerp, Nick Cave, Yoshi Fredisdorf who worked closely with Issey Miyake, and more. The school has recently been working closely with Antwerp due to Anke Loh becoming the new chair, Bereindonck, Dirk Van Saene, and others associated with the school have recently worked closely with the students in order to compose interesting projects.
                            It's been a great school/experience for me so far.
                            "All our final decisions are made in a state of mind that is not going to last." - Marcel Proust

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                            • mink
                              Junior Member
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 8

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Mrama View Post
                              I'm going to also vouch for SAIC (School of the Art Institute of Chicago)
                              After much research I'm currently attending the school and undergoing the fashion department. The course itself involves a great amount of dedication and rigor, I feel as if the school also does prepare designers for the industry. Many fashion alumni who have gone through SAIC have proven its worth. Such as Matthew Ames, Gary Graham, Shane Gabier, and many more. Current faculty members include the likes of Anke Loh from Antwerp, Nick Cave, Yoshi Fredisdorf who worked closely with Issey Miyake, and more. The school has recently been working closely with Antwerp due to Anke Loh becoming the new chair, Bereindonck, Dirk Van Saene, and others associated with the school have recently worked closely with the students in order to compose interesting projects.
                              It's been a great school/experience for me so far.
                              Lucky you! I have a friend at SAIC, I recently visited there and she showed me their fashion resource center; thumbing through the racks of designer/historical clothes was such a dream. I heard Bereindonck lectured there a few months ago as well.
                              Last edited by mink; 07-12-2013, 06:58 AM.

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                              • 00-00
                                Junior Member
                                • Jul 2013
                                • 5

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Heirloom View Post
                                Also, it's an advantage if you like working in the vein or Mr Beirendonck's aesthetic. If you don't follow their general style you have to be ready to fight for your ideas from beginning to end. This is not an education for people with a clear point of view. They want to shape you and curate your talent. This has been my biggest issue, and is the main reason for me not finishing the first year. If you already know what you ultimately want to do/say, this is not the school for you. They like personalities, but not when they start discussions. More often than not the teachers will simply say "I like this. I don't like this." The style philosophical dialogue between teacher and student is their biggest weakness.



                                I did have a feeling that the academy might be a little biased on aesthetics since they seem to be hostile to minimalism and some extreme conceptual things but I didn't expect it can be that "worst".




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                                my rank (in random orders)

                                Tier 1

                                Central Saint Martins
                                Parsons
                                Antwerp Royal Academy
                                Ecole de la chambre syndicale de la couture ( I can't believe people just ignored the only decent and great school in France)

                                Tier 2

                                Bunka college
                                La Cambre
                                ArtEZ
                                FIT
                                Royal College of Art (sad that it only provides master course)

                                Tire 3 uncertain

                                Aalto University School of Arts
                                University of Applied Arts Vienna
                                RISD
                                PRATT
                                London College of Fashion
                                POLIMODA (I'm sure this school can run to Tier 2 in a few years because it grows in such an unbelievable speed under the lead of Linda Loppa)
                                University of Westminster (this school is so underrated)
                                Beckmans College of Design ( I disagree about the Sweden-flat-design discusses ).
                                Head, Geneva



                                ...


                                You guys should also have an eye on the schools in Netherlands. especial fashion departments at those ART schools. small groups but great
                                Last edited by 00-00; 07-12-2013, 11:58 AM.

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