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  • MonaDahl
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 10

    It's All a Blur to Them (Dressing across genders)

    I thought this was an interesting and relevant article, though there's nothing particularly groundbreaking about it.



    By Ruth La Ferla

    “I’VE heard that in Australia, men are wearing tights,” Chuong Pham said. Tights for men, he acknowledged, may be extreme. But Mr. Pham, 28, an engineer in Manhattan, thought nothing of combining stalk-slim jeans with a sweatshirt pinched from his mom and sexily sheared à la “Flashdance.” Raking his fingers through a sheaf of hair that tumbled in waves past his collarbone, Mr. Pham said: “There is a whole transition of men getting into women’s wear. It used to be that the people who did it were just the edgier ones. Now it’s much more common.”

    Common enough that Mr. Pham and his forward-thinking cohort — urban Americans, mostly in their 20s — are revising standard notions of gender-appropriate dressing, tweaking codes, upending conventions and making hash of ancient norms.

    “My generation is more outside the box than the generation before me,” said Brandon Dailey, 26, a hairstylist in Manhattan. “Our minds are more open to different things, and that sometimes means mixing it up in what we wear.” He may never put on a skirt, he allowed, but sees nothing amiss in working “a long drapey shirt with really tight pants.”

    Audrey Reynolds, an acquaintance, was engaging in a bit of gender play herself. Ms. Reynolds, 25, who wore a slouchy biker jacket and beat-up clog boots, insisted: “Every line should be unisex. A good piece of clothing is a good piece of clothing no matter who was meant to wear it in the first place.”

    At one time, such artfully calibrated ambiguity might have been the expression of a renegade mind. Today it seems scarcely more subversive than wearing black, just the latest countercultural gesture to be tugged into the mainstream. The look is androgynous, for sure — but with a difference.

    During the 1970s, arguably the last time sartorial gender blending was as pervasive in the culture, it grew in part from the kind of feminist thinking that suggested girls play with Lego sets and boys play with dolls. “Now we have something new,” said Diane Ehrensaft, a psychologist in Oakland, who writes about gender. That something is not necessarily about one’s politics or sexual orientation or, she added pointedly, “about one’s core identity as a male or female.”

    What Dr. Ehrensaft has dubbed “gender fluidity” remains in her view a form of rebellion. It suggests, she said, that “younger people no longer accept the standard boxes. They won’t be bound by boys having to wear this or girls wearing that. I think there is a peer culture in which that kind of gender blurring is not only acceptable but cool.”

    Women have been incorporating trousers, biker jackets and combat boots into their wardrobes since Amelia Earhart swapped her pearls for a flight suit. But increasingly, it is men who are making unabashed forays into mom’s closet, some for fashion’s sake, others for fit. A few may be taking their style cues from Pete Wentz, the emo rocker who demonstrates on YouTube how to slick on eyeliner; or Adam Lambert, the “American Idol” runner-up, who has made sooty eyes and blue-black nails his fashion insignia. Others fall back on Johnny Depp.

    “I came here with an idea,” Dyllan White said as he inspected his reflection at Mudhoney, a unisex hair salon in the East Village. Mr. White, 22, who is studying art therapy, wanted “something up and back, something ‘Cry-Baby,’ ” he said. He settled on a modified pompadour that recalled Mr. Depp in the 1990 John Waters movie of that name. “I feel fine about it, like a guy,” he said of his haircut. “It’s universal. It’s awesome.”

    To Sharon Graubard, a senior executive with Stylesight, a trend forecasting firm in New York, Mr. White’s thinking points to a sea change. “In the streets I see young couples dressing almost alike, wearing slicked hair, peacoats, straight jeans or those longer T-shirts that are almost like a dress,” she said. Such a willful melding of men’s and women’s garb represents, she said, “a kind of evening of the playing field.”

    Mingling men’s and women’s clothing, others argue, is like waving a flag of neutrality. “It’s a way of breaking down sexualized relationships, of getting people to relax,” said Piper Marshall, 24, who is an assistant art curator at the Swiss Institute in Manhattan. “I work with lots of male artists,” she added. “It’s important to find a common ground.”

    Humberto Leon, an owner of Opening Ceremony, the vanguard boutique in Lower Manhattan, is one of a growing number of merchants catering to that mind-set. Lately Mr. Leon has been mingling men’s and women’s clothing with marked success. Even angora cat-print cardigans, part of a unisex line designed by Chloë Sevigny, “flew out of the store,” he said, snapped up by men and women alike.

    So entrenched are the latest forms of gender blending that mainstream purveyors of hip, including Urban Outfitters and American Apparel, are offering clothing and jewelry meant to be worn by either sex. American Apparel has no fewer than 724 unisex items — hoodies, cardigans, blazers and bow ties, among them — on its Web site, simply because, as Marsha Brady, the company’s creative director, put it, “that’s the way people wear clothes.”

    At a jazz club in downtown Manhattan last week, Bettina Chin and Michelle Wang drove home the point, wearing severely tailored evening ensembles that perfectly echoed each other. “I like a mannish look at night,” Ms. Chin explained as she flicked back her cuffs.

    Some marketers have been quick to interpret that sort of ambiguity. Fall advertisements for Burberry show a succession of lanky, pallid men and women wearing what seem to be interchangeable coats. A model for Rolex is tricked out in an Earhart-inspired leather jacket, aviator cap and goggles.

    Gender neutrality has gained traction on the runways as well. Rei Kawakubo of Comme des Garçons and Yohji Yamamoto jettisoned gender codes long ago. More recently, designers as influential as Rick Owens and Alexander Wang have made their mark with draped T-shirts and, in Mr. Owens’s case, dresses and high-heeled shoes for men. In London, Christopher Kane lent his spring 2010 collection some swagger by inviting the model Jenny Shimizu, a standard-bearer of female androgyny, to saunter down his runway wearing a man-tailored suit.

    “Today the more successful designers are the ones that try to bridge the gap between the sexes rather than drive a wedge between them,” said Karlo Steel, a partner in Atelier, a progressive men’s store in downtown Manhattan that also draws a female clientele. “Right now fashion’s pendulum seems to be swinging in that direction.”

    Skeptics argue nonetheless that gender blending is bound to remain a marginal trend.

    “It’s something you need to be young to do well,” said Harold Koda, the curator in charge of the Costume Institute at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. “To carry it off, you need the physique of an adolescent boy. As long as the young are the primary audience, it’s not going be economically sustained.”

    Still, gender-neutral dressing has made sufficiently formidable inroads that some suggest it has a robust future.

    “Obviously androgyny may not play in Peoria,” said Dr. Ehrensaft, the psychologist. “But norms are shifting.” In her clinical practice, working mostly with teenagers and elementary school children, Dr. Ehrensaft said she routinely witnesses “a kind of gender fashion parade.”

    “Kids, even little kids, are experimenting across gender lines. Boys are wearing My Little Pony T-shirts, just because they like them. Sometimes they like to dress in the girls’ section because the shirts are cooler.”

    Adults have long dictated the way young people dress, Dr. Ehrensaft said. “But now the young are giving us a different dictation.”


  • #2
    presuming that the earlier generation is more inside the box than the next is a bit one dimensional thinking though. We're all just as rebellious, for our generation. But as one generation grows up, their mindset will be overshadowed by the next, making them appear safe.... Hence why I've never gotten into the beatles, queen, michael jackson and so on.

    I don't think this is a marginal trend. I hope it's not. I'd love to see this be taken seriously and used to fight homophobia, and gender equality issues.

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    • laika
      moderator
      • Sep 2006
      • 3785

      #3
      for some reason, this reminds me that i recently saw one of the sa's from comme--the one who wears the skirts-- heading to work. he was wearing jeans and a hoodie and carrying a supreme shopping bag.

      thanks for posting mona, interesting stuff.
      ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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      • Fuuma
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2006
        • 4050

        #4
        Whatever.
        Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
        http://www.stylezeitgeist.com/forums...me-other-stuff

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        • zamb
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2006
          • 5834

          #5
          Originally posted by shahadat-al-halal
          why are western men conditioned to be weak and effete from a young age?
          Originally posted by Fuuma View Post
          Whatever.
          Originally posted by shahadat-al-halal
          why are western men conditioned to be weak and effete from a young age?
          Originally posted by Fuuma View Post
          Whatever.
          “You know,” he says, with a resilient smile, “it is a hard world for poets.”
          .................................................. .......................


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          • zamb
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2006
            • 5834

            #6
            Originally posted by shahadat-al-halal
            you can laugh my friend but deep in your pious heart you surely understand that this fashion is suicide. please file this disgusting article under wtf and let us continue on amicably.
            Whatever
            “You know,” he says, with a resilient smile, “it is a hard world for poets.”
            .................................................. .......................


            Zam Barrett Spring 2017 Now in stock

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            • Mail-Moth
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 1448

              #7
              Originally posted by shahadat-al-halal
              you can laugh my friend but deep in your pious heart you surely understand that this fashion is suicide. please file this disgusting article under wtf and let us continue on amicably.
              What my pious heart tells me is that it makes no sense to draw a separation line between effeminate fashion and masculine fashion. Those are appearances. This is what fashion is about. If you want to make statements through the way you dress, well, maybe you don't have anything in your mind worth stating. There's no sense in dressing expensively to atone for the fact that you act poorly. Wearing a skirt when you're a man says something about what you dare wearing - not about your morals. Keeping from wearing one for moral reasons, though, tells a lot about the place where your moral values are taking root.
              I can see a hat, I can see a cat,
              I can see a man with a baseball bat.

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              • Fuuma
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2006
                • 4050

                #8
                Originally posted by shahadat-al-halal
                you can laugh my friend but deep in your pious heart you surely understand that this fashion is suicide. please file this disgusting article under wtf and let us continue on amicably.
                There can be nothing amicable between us (in other words go fuck yourself) and I still think a lot of fashion people dress like poofsters.
                Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
                http://www.stylezeitgeist.com/forums...me-other-stuff

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                • Mail-Moth
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 1448

                  #9
                  Originally posted by shahadat-al-halal
                  if your mind is so bemused that you are unable or unwilling to perceive the fundamental distinction between masculine and feminine attire i can only pray that you see the truth before you are called to judgement. my friends i am here with respect and do not seek political controversy so i will refrain from commenting further in this thread and will contribute elsewhere.
                  Oooh, thank you ! This is sweet
                  I can see a hat, I can see a cat,
                  I can see a man with a baseball bat.

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                  • almroth
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 324

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Fuuma View Post
                    I still think a lot of fashion people dress like poofsters.
                    I just realized how repulsive you are.

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                    • droogist
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 583

                      #11
                      Can we please install an irony filter in here? I can't make heads or tails of any of this.

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                      • Fuuma
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 4050

                        #12
                        Originally posted by droogist View Post
                        Can we please install an irony filter in here? I can't make heads or tails of any of this.
                        I'm ironic, dunno about the rest.
                        Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
                        http://www.stylezeitgeist.com/forums...me-other-stuff

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                        • #13
                          telling men to dress one way and women another is just as discriminating as telling blacks to sit in the back of the bus. FACT!

                          Fuck anyone that thinks anything else. If they can discriminate against me I'll do the same agains them. FUCK them. Seriously. I have no patience to heartless idiots who care about noone but them selves. FUCK THEM.

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                          • #14
                            clothes have no sexuality. there are no sexes on clothes .the end.

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                            • galia
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 1702

                              #15
                              Yeah the gender of clothes is a purely contextual thing

                              I feel that a desexualisation of appearence is very intellectually attractie to me, however as a potential breeder, it is starting to be bothersome

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