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  • Fade to Black
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    Originally posted by laughed View Post
    not sure about the whole fashion thing but i was wondering myself if dada art or dada in general is nihilistic. anyway.
    I don't know enough about philosophy or art to comment precisely, but dada is certainly something i aspire to

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  • laughed
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    well my GOSH i didn't realize this was started in 2007. geez. anyway, my last question still stands. i just posted a thing in randomness - nihilism stuff.
    sort of quick-read through posts on this thread.
    i have to agree that this is/was a broad topic.
    when you're talking about this i do believe you are talking about something very serious and some people just won't even get it.
    it is pretty easy to say that, say - taking pictures of pornorgraphy and parties is different than taking pictures of butterflies, if you are an artist let's say. that the pictures of parties show a nihilistic view on youth, etc. but does it really? you could go that route, questioning what is and what isn't but we really don't know. or do we? i think we do.
    i think the stereotypes of so called nihilistic culture aren't stereotypes but real and true. some of them anyway.
    not sure about the whole fashion thing but i was wondering myself if dada art or dada in general is nihilistic. anyway.

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  • laughed
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    hey, what's that picture from The Fourth Sex (artist)? Looks maybe like Mike Kelley but I could be Way off. and if you know the name of it. thanks.

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  • Servo2000
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    Originally posted by ProfMonnitoff View Post
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    Servo, I'd be interested to see what came out of this.
    Well, an initial idea for AP art portfolio amongst other things.

    Pulled from here there was a small collection I designed / 'illustrated' onto some large scale figure drawings along with some text-based pieces and some digital drawings / collages / etc... not great stuff but it's what I was doing at the time. I ended up submitting a collection primarily of drawings / digital pieces focused on drawing with physical media and then re-drawing it digitally and then back / forth etc... based on arguing against bias for and against 'digital drawing' based on the fundamental nature of computers ( bumps of magnetism / electricity on harddrives record the 'drawing' and therefore mark making remains present even in its digital nature). Anyway.

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  • zamb
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    Originally posted by genevieveryoko View Post
    a bit unnecessary for me to say this, but I like this...perhaps I'll read this book.
    just ordered it from amazon.............

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  • genevieveryoko
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    Originally posted by Faust View Post
    2. Does not accepting "the system" come from it being so terrible, or does it result from a teenager's narcissism? You might want to look at Christopher Lasch's book The Culture of Narcissism - it is a very different perspective. Basically, he says that we have become just a bunch of adult babies who cannot suck it up and keep plowing. Therefore, things such as organized political resistance, healthy love relationships, and parent/child relationships are disintegrating.
    a bit unnecessary for me to say this, but I like this...perhaps I'll read this book.

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  • Enaml
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    Wow. I (obviously) never saw this. Looks fascinating in comparison to friends' AP Art finals- mostly complete jokes.

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  • ProfMonnitoff
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    Servo, I'd be interested to see what came out of this.

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  • Servo2000
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    Re: Nihilism, Youth, and Fashion



    Haven't had much to any time to work on it since last I posted: I've gotten a little reading done, but junior year at this point in highschool is nothing but finals, APs, SATs / ACTs and I'm completely swamped. I'll add that to what is becoming a rather extensive reading list, Fuuma, thank-you for the suggestion.</p>

    Reviving this thread has rather reminded me that I need to get back to work on this, perhaps I'll devote some portions of the time I would usually spend on my figure drawing to get back into it, schools over soon... but I'll be gone for nearly all of the summer as well.
    </p>

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  • Faust
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    [quote user="Fuuma"]

    Damn I missed that, Servo if yu're still looking for comments I'll try to contribute something.</p>
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    You should look at some of the romantic writers of yore think, young Werther, they had some elements of pre-nihilism in there.</p>

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    Brilliant suggestion.</p>

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  • Fuuma
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    Damn I missed that, Servo if yu're still looking for comments I'll try to contribute something.</P>
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    You should look at some of the romantic writers of yore think, young Werther, they had some elements of pre-nihilism in there.</P>

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  • laika
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    How's it going, Servo? Give us an update. [:P]

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  • Servo2000
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    [quote user="laika"]

    Still working on my thoughts...I am a slow thinker....
    </P>

    But I wanted to say, that I think you posting this kind of stuff ^, (the quotes alongside the images), is really productive, both for thinking and conversation. I would keep it up, if I were you; just make this thread a place to keep your notes, in dialectic fashion. Regardless of response, it's a good way to keep track of your ideas, and I know many of us will enjoy reading them.</P>

    Also, what is the nature of the art work that will accompany this theoretical-conceptual stuff? I don't even know what medium(s) you work in...
    </P>[/quote]<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span">As far as mediums go, it's more or less whatever takes my interest. I'm a fairly dedicated figure-artist, probably spending upwards of five hours a week on average drawing the human body under fairly rigourously "classic" conditions. I'm doing studies from Hogarth's Dynamic Anatonomy at the moment (hardly classical, but still useful. I hate his drawing style, but some of his shorthand is quite useful for quick sketch and my first lay ins, and the man's knowledge of anatomy was admirable. A friend of my fathers, as well). Other than that, I paint, design, whatever. Most recently I've been doing design studies of Russian Constructivism and the forms of De Stijil, which may apply in that manner that they place "<SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px;">...</SPAN><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px;">emphasis on simple colors and forms to create a universal style and culture." </SPAN>I just have that quote sitting here, I'm not sure where it's from. I feel like it's from a review of an exhibit, of all things! That quote applies to many movements, I'm sure, but it's just the one I have here in front of me.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>At the moment I'm working on a few pieces, but overall I'm still working on a base "aesthetic" that I can work my first presentation around: perhaps finding an artistic movement to associate my thoughts with and then twisting them for my purposes. At the moment, it's looking like there's going to be quite a bit of basic geometry (de stijil coming through, perhaps) in the design work, perhaps juxtaposed with pictures or images that represent portions of the ultimate "manifesto." I've been considering cannibalizing famous images and then breaking them down to the simply extremes by which they should be understood: "yes" or "no." I've been discussing this with one of my professors that I was for a time considering using triangles as a repeating motif: "filled" triangles to cover unimportant images, triangles with an absent center to allow the "meaning" of the images to show through. I'm thinking that the triangle may function somewhat in the manner that Dali's The Eye in the manner in which it views, except that by "closing" the eye on certain images the extremes are, and should be, filtered.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Hopefully, once I've ascertained the boundaries of the "manifesto" I can apply the designs and art to the objects that fall within it's boundaries: be it fashion designs or architecture, I am not yet certain. I'm always looking for more things to try, so it will certainly be a great multitude of mediums, but the unifying aspects: which aesthetic elements of youth to include or remove, movements to imitate or destroy, I am not yet certain. The most difficult element so far has been trying to think of a manner to give the images a means to be expanded upon freely by others, to create a basis for an aesthetic "striving" which will hopefully inform all of the works! The "striving" element, to me, is nearly the most important: the goal of the "manifesto" is to create a doctrine upon which others build but never complete. Too many ideas, I am sorry...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I believe that the design elements will be greatly influenced by the work on uniforms, to get one thing down.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Do not worry about thinking slowly, Laika. None of us are in any great hurry!</DIV></SPAN></DIV>

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  • laika
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    Still working on my thoughts...I am a slow thinker....
    </p>

    But I wanted to say, that I think you posting this kind of stuff ^, (the quotes alongside the images), is really productive, both for thinking and conversation. I would keep it up, if I were you; just make this thread a place to keep your notes, in dialectic fashion. Regardless of response, it's a good way to keep track of your ideas, and I know many of us will enjoy reading them.</p>

    Also, what is the nature of the art work that will accompany this theoretical-conceptual stuff? I don't even know what medium(s) you work in...
    </p>

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  • Servo2000
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    This is an interesting quote, from The Open Boat, that may perhaps shed some light on both the attitude that intrigues me, and perhaps even the narcissim that seems to result:<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>"<SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 16px;">When it occurs to a man that nature does not regard him as important, and that she feels she would not maim the universe by disposing of him, he at first wishes to throw bricks at the temple, and he hates deeply the fact that there are no bricks and no temples. Any visible expression of nature would surely be pelleted with his jeers.</SPAN></DIV>

    <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 16px;"> Then, if there be no tangible thing to hoot he feels, perhaps, the desire to confront a personification and indulge in pleas, bowed to one knee, and with hands supplicant, saying: "Yes, but I love myself."</SPAN></P>

    <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 16px;"> A high cold star on a winter's night is the word he feels that she says to him. Thereafter he knows the pathos of his situation."</SPAN></P>

    It reminds me somewhat of this image from the gallery for "The Fourth Sex:"</P>

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    <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times; font-size: 16px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></P>

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