Carol Christian Poell

[blackfedora]

Thank you, Ahimsa!

This makes perfect sense, as some of these look like the result of the fabric being folded, and I was told that a last bit of the batch of CORAWO was used to make my suit. I don't mind these, to be honest, the suit is my favorite piece.

I don't know much about the dying process for these fabrics, what influence does Ramie have, Magic?

The ramie composition fabrics from CCP tend to not hold the dye very well. Examples can be seen in the self-edge fabrics like ROR-EDGE (here) and in other fabics containing ramie like SURFACE and WFACE (see first pic here).

Ok, now for the long winded science-y explanation. This non-fastness of dyes seen in plant stalk derived cellulose based fibres (linen, hemp, ramie) comes from them having a higher crystallinity at the molecular level when compared to other cellulose fibres, notably cotton, which hold their colour better. The higher crystallinity results from the fibre being a longer, more closely packed polymer than imparts the stalk based cellulose fibres with their marked stiffness (compared to cotton) but that tighter packing also results in fewer locations for the dye molecules to react and become attached (covalently bond) to the polymer. The polymer is often so tight that dye molecules can't ever penetrate in between the parallel lined up long polymers to just "sit there" (ionically bond, H-bond) and give the fabric a colour that remains in place after repeated use.

[julian_doe]

The ramie composition fabrics from CCP tend to not hold the dye very well. Examples can be seen in the self-edge fabrics like ROR-EDGE (here) and in other fabics containing ramie like SURFACE and WFACE (see first pic here).

Ok, now for the long winded science-y explanation. This non-fastness of dyes seen in plant stalk derived cellulose based fibres (linen, hemp, ramie) comes from them having a higher crystallinity at the molecular level when compared to other cellulose fibres, notably cotton, which hold their colour better. The higher crystallinity results from the fibre being a longer, more closely packed polymer than imparts the stalk based cellulose fibres with their marked stiffness (compared to cotton) but that tighter packing also results in fewer locations for the dye molecules to react and become attached (covalently bond) to the polymer. The polymer is often so tight that dye molecules can't ever penetrate in between the parallel lined up long polymers to just "sit there" (ionically bond, H-bond) and give the fabric a colour that remains in place after repeated use.

This is great, thank you for the explanation. I appreciate everyone's help!

[t3hg0suazn]

I love it when blackfedora drops the chemistry in this thread.

[curiouscharles]

I love it when blackfedora drops the chemistry in this thread.

blackfedora, the scientist we need.

[CAIN]

hey guys, I´m about to special order a suit from CCP mostly want it on corawo or laico but at the moment they only have the fabric LINKS I check some pictures online but it seems to me is too light, does any one here have seen or own a piece in this fabric just to know what to expect?

[smudge]

blackfedora, your posts are informative as always

[magic]

My experience with Ramie or Linen was the colour fades much easy than others fabrics, like cotton. If someone loves the ageing of their clothes than it will be fine. I like CORAWO, and it is a great fabric for suiting, but it will be better if without the Ramie..

[deejames]

Does anyone know if there are two different versions of the diagonal zip boots?
I mean the cut of the shoe front..
It seems to me that there is a rounder version and a tip version of it...On pictures from Onlineshops it really looks like.i just bought a pair of it at PNP but they look a bit different on all the other pictures to me.
thanks for your help.

[deejames]

Just went to Darklands because after 3!!!! years they got a new delivery from CCP and i had a look live to a couple of models.
The problem is that all the shoes are slightly different.That was the reason i was confused..on most pics they
look like there are plenty of different models.

[drizzly]

Does anyone know if there are two different versions of the diagonal zip boots?
I mean the cut of the shoe front..
It seems to me that there is a rounder version and a tip version of it...On pictures from Onlineshops it really looks like.i just bought a pair of it at PNP but they look a bit different on all the other pictures to me.
thanks for your help.

hey, yes there are 2 diff tornados if i understood your question correct:
2009 version has a wider last code = AM/2521SX
example - http://pnp-firenze.blogspot.com/2016...gonal-zip.html
2010 version is a bit sleeker, code = AM/2601L
example - http://pnp-firenze.blogspot.com/2016...-lined_15.html

here are some side by side

[deejames]

Yes thats what made me wonder...i received a pair but i didnt liked it so much because of the sleek toe :-)
Thanks for your help.

[drizzly]

Yes thats what made me wonder...i received a pair but i didnt liked it so much because of the sleek toe :-)
Thanks for your help.

Well the other wider last model is much rarer so most of the offerings are the sleeker last. I personally have 4 pairs and most of them the sleek last it wears super easy.

[goldsamxo]

As I've looked online, and it seems the answer is similar - is CCP done with unique collections & only working with special orders / color ways now? I've seen pieces that seem slightly different, but I haven't seen anything new in a long time. I'm sure I'm right, but I wanted to see if anyone had any insight! Thank you guys

[drizzly]

As I've looked online, and it seems the answer is similar - is CCP done with unique collections & only working with special orders / color ways now? I've seen pieces that seem slightly different, but I haven't seen anything new in a long time. I'm sure I'm right, but I wanted to see if anyone had any insight! Thank you guys

There have been rumors of a new collection but nothing has surfaced. The closest thing is Deepti which is an extension of ccp, not too original imo.

[itsfilth]

There's a French boutique in LA called Leclair that has a very large collection of CCP for sale. Last I was there, the employees seemed confident that a new CCP collection will surface this year. If anyone here lives in southern California and wants a direct source of news, I recommend checking this place out.