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    anyone that's tried a Julius moto will know that it fits on the larger side of the scale, after trying and failing to find the perfect one for me I decided to take things in to my own hands with the FW11 MW moto. as it's made from quite a substantial and unprocessed (by _7 standards) lamb leather I figured it'd be a safe bet to try shrinking it to fit.

    pre-wash measurements:
    pit to pit: 46.5 cm
    length: 63 cm

    pre-pics:





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    steps:
    • Friday morning soaked it inside out in hot water for around 10 minutes then squeezed out as much water as possible
    • chucked it in a pillow case, pillow case went in the dryer with some towels to pad it on medium heat for around an hour
    • after an hour it was still pretty damn wet so put it in for ~45 minutes on high
    • still slightly damp after that but decided to air dry it for the remainder, turned it right way round and hung it on the hanger outside on a mild sunny day
    • dry to the touch by the evening except the leather bits inside the pockets so gave them a bit of a low heat blow dry
    • let the leather completely air dry for 1 more day


    • leather turned out great post wash, very matte but still retaining most of its softness although a bit stiffer
    • after the leather was completely dry I applied a thin but thorough coating of Grison leather creme (did try a small amount of Nivea creme as some had suggested, shit just sits as a layer on the leather and looked more likely to damage it than anything so quickly removed it), took over an hour to do everything including the inner sections and the inside of the pockets
    • gave the post conditioning jacket a day of drying indoors
    • leather creme returned some of the original luster of the leather, and made it a lot softer (possibly softer than it originally was haha)

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    anyway all in all quite happy with the outcome. leather turned out great, soft with not quite as much sheen (although I probably wouldn't recommend this for any of the heavily processed _7 leathers). jacket shrank around half a size in width although the length surprisingly didn't change at all. short of boiling the leather I think this is about the maximum shrinkage you're likely to get haha.

    post-wash measurements:
    pit to pit: 45 cm
    length: 63 cm

    post-pics:



  4. #64

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    wondering if you took any fit pictures pre- and post-wash? looks nice though

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    DJI,

    I was really scared for you when first I saw your post. I had the SS10 Moto, and there would have been NO WAY I would've soaked/washed it. Something about it seemed delicate. I am very glad yours turned out well. It does look like your FW11 looks like a different treatment from my SS10.

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    thanks comedyzen, yeah I wouldn't be inclined to risk washing the SS10 moto and certainly not any of the FW09 hard washed leathers.

    sorry chaosen, forgot to take pre wash fit pics.

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    good thing it didnt shrink lengthwise (although that seems to be your main objective of the whole ordeal) since the jacket has a zipper down the center

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    I realize this is a little late now but I found a lot of information from this blog post from blackbird last year when I was going through the same process.
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    Goddamn! Good job, son. Now yr really making me regret that I got rid of my 07 moto leather...maybe all it needed was a good wash. Damn. And the finish looks nigh-on same, if not better, I'd say. I'm gonna order me some leather conditioner and wash my rick...

    Curious - what size was this originally, and what size are you?

    What's everyone's favorite leather conditioner? So far we've seen Grison, Pecard...Eton had some stuff from france...what about using shoe conditioner, something like Saphir? (http://www.hangerproject.com/closet/...enovateur.html)

    And where can one pick up some of that Grison stuff anyways? That website's a bit strange and out of date...

    Cheers.

    Quote Originally Posted by dji View Post
    anyway all in all quite happy with the outcome. leather turned out great, soft with not quite as much sheen (although I probably wouldn't recommend this for any of the heavily processed _7 leathers). jacket shrank around half a size in width although the length surprisingly didn't change at all. short of boiling the leather I think this is about the maximum shrinkage you're likely to get haha.
    Last edited by hamletpowpowpow; 12-05-2011 at 01:25 AM.

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    main objective was to shrink it width wise actually, don't mind the length.

    cheers hamletpowpowpow, yeah couldn't be happier with how the leather turned out. I'm on the slim side of 44, this was originally about a 46 and now it's a comfortable 44. picked up the Grison from my local cobbler/leather specialist, no where in Melbourne seems to stock Pecard for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamletpowpowpow View Post
    Yeah, I'm considering washing my Rick lamb from 04 - it's a stretched out a bit and I'd love to shrink it down a size.

    MBD - post yr results!

    Edit: The conditioning oil - would you want to put this on a non-washed leather jacket? What about boots? I've got some Julius leather/boots that I'd like to keep in top shape...
    The SS05 Rick kangaroo and SS04? Chloé goat, both of which had a paper-like thickness, shrunk almost a whole size and are overall less structured. (The Rick leather feels like the leather thickened slightly.) Both feel and fit like shirts - and can be layered over - so I was fine with that. The Rick had a slightly waxy shine. It now has a matte finish. The Chloe goat has the texture now of the lamb sleeves of one of my oldest DRKSHDW denim jackets w/ lamb sleeves. It's difficult to describe without a macro camera lens, but it looks like a nubuck with an imperceptible grain. Note: the zippers on my Rick kangaroo are *not* wavy.

    My Rick leather dress in blistered lamb (the version with extreme scarring) did exceptionally well: shrunk a spot more than a full size, which is fine by me. The great thing about it is that there was no texture change whatever. The integrity of the original finish didn't change, which makes me wonder what they hell they did to get that very unusual blistering in the first place: it's seemingly indestructible.

    (BEFORE/AFTER PHOTOS TO COME, REALLY.)

    I turned all items inside out and used a front loading washer set on delicate for a single load. I allowed each item to wash on its own. I dried the two jackets together in a commercial dryer on low for 1 hour. Because I wanted the Rick dress to shrink more than the jackets, I dried it on medium for 45 minutes.

    The question now is whether I should condition my jackets which use delicate glove-like leather . I'd once made the mistake of using honey conditioner on a pair of caramel colored, triple buckle Ann D boots in washed goat. The idea was to darken the leather and get a matte finish. Instead, there were dark, oily patches that didn't completely dry for a year, or more.

    I ordered 7 or 8 Saphir cleaning products from The Hanger Project more than a month ago (6 weeks), and they just sent an email saying that they're back in stock and my things will be sent this week. So, fair warning...

    In the meantime, the Saphir copy says their stuff is meant to clean and protect your highest quality suede, leather *and* silk and fabric items - even the waterproofing sprays; "like Scotchguard, but for your finest suedes and leathers" they claim for your shoes. I am assuming "finest" should encompass what is used for your jackets and gloves, too. I'll test the stuff nonetheless before going "whole hog."

    A big winter project is cleaning and re-waterproofing all my shoes and jackets with Saphir: will report back about this, too.

    More later.

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    Ah, please report back. I was planning on doing the same - cleaning and weather proofing my collection of Julius/Ann combats for the winter using Saphir.

    I've still gotta re-wax my Julius parka too...man, so much work!

    As for washing my rick - I don't know that I'd use the Saphir to condition the leather, I may try and get that wacky french stuff. We'll see.

    EDIT: Maybe this stuff?: http://www.hangerproject.com/closet/...er-lotion.html

    The Saphir stuff is "beeswax-based cream polish enriched with ultra-nourishing mink oil"

    The Pecard is "A wax-free water-based formula, cleans, conditions, preserves and weatherproofs all smooth finished and vinyl coated leathers."

    Thoughts, anyone?

    Whatever Dji used looks like it worked really well...can you enlighten us on the ingredients? Wax based or water based?




    QUOTE=MetroBulotDodo;341523]

    I ordered 7 or 8 Saphir cleaning products from The Hanger Project more than a month ago (6 weeks), and they just sent an email saying that they're back in stock and my things will be sent this week. So, fair warning...

    In the meantime, the Saphir copy says their stuff is meant to clean and protect your highest quality suede, leather *and* silk and fabric items - even the waterproofing sprays; "like Scotchguard, but for your finest suedes and leathers" they claim for your shoes. I am assuming "finest" should encompass what is used for your jackets and gloves, too. I'll test the stuff nonetheless before going "whole hog."

    A big winter project is cleaning and re-waterproofing all my shoes and jackets with Saphir: will report back about this, too.

    More later.

    MBD[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamletpowpowpow View Post
    Whatever Dji used looks like it worked really well...can you enlighten us on the ingredients? Wax based or water based?
    according to the mostly french bottle it's 30% aliphatic hydrocarbons, not sure if there are any more details on the ingredients but you can see everything printed on the bottle in the previous link.

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    Yeah, I saw that - but what the heck are "aliphatic hyrdocarbons"…???

    I guess the main question is - do we want to use water or wax based conditioner?

    Edit: Okay, the stuff Eton used on his CCP was Renapur, and that's also a wax-based conditioner - "beeswax and jojoba oil". We all know that turned out really well.

    I'm really impressed w/ how Dji's julius turned out...I'm tempted to try and track down that french stuff...but on the other hand, Saphir has a pretty amazing reputation when it comes to high-quality leather care...

    Quote Originally Posted by dji View Post
    according to the mostly french bottle it's 30% aliphatic hydrocarbons, not sure if there are any more details on the ingredients but you can see everything printed on the bottle in the previous link.
    Last edited by hamletpowpowpow; 12-05-2011 at 03:48 PM.

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    Has anyone here ever put a pair of rick trainers through a wash cycle?
    Mine are still in good nick but look awful since I took them for a midnight run through muddy Hampstead Heath the other night ( long story ).
    Hi. I like your necklace. - It's actually a rape whistle, but the whistle part fell off.

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    So what happened to them? I presume the rubber got considerably darker or something? Washing them will ruin them for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michael_kard View Post
    So what happened to them? I presume the rubber got considerably darker or something? Washing them will ruin them for sure.
    I washed them ( no patience ) and they came out ok. Not ruined but not a whole lot cleaner tbh.
    Hi. I like your necklace. - It's actually a rape whistle, but the whistle part fell off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamletpowpowpow View Post
    I'm really impressed w/ how Dji's julius turned out...I'm tempted to try and track down that french stuff...but on the other hand, Saphir has a pretty amazing reputation when it comes to high-quality leather care...
    Just had a little exchange with HamletPPP re: Saphir products. He can report his experience with a leather jacket, but I'll share my experience conditioning a pair of shoes.

    I bought several Saphir MDO products to try -- and the Invulner waterproofing spray is still on back order. The standout so far was the Renovateur (general cleaning and conditioning). In short, it's magic. Not unbelievable late-night infomercial magic, but magic on the order of "I-may-hoard-this product." (I took photos, but I think I need a macro-lens for you to see the full effect.)

    I started on a small project as a test case: a pair of Hope Stockholm beige pumps that get a lot of wear, even in the winter. There were quite a number of water stains, and the once matte shine was rather uneven. The shoes just looked beat-up.

    There are no directions, just some graphics, on the small (stingy?) jar. I was a touch nervous, but once I looked closer at the graphic and saw that the product was shown being used on an ultra-expensive Hermes Kelly bag, I didn't bother testing on a small patch. I spread it on generously (I realize now, maybe too generously given its cost.)

    The results: not all the stains came out, but the original matte lustre of the finish was restored perfectly. I've never used anything close in my years of taking care of my own shoes and handbags. The real difference is in the feel of the leather post-treatment - the shoes felt new.

    I've now used their suede/nabuck cleaner on several suede/nabuck shoes and bags I thought were beyond repair. While none of the things look store-fresh, they can, without a doubt return into rotation. I've always been drawn to the feel of nabuck, but the feeling of helplessness/clueless-ness I had about their upkeep did stop a few, but hardly all, purchases. I feel now that I can go whole hog, as I desire.

    Uh-oh.

    The downside of the MDO Renovateur is the cost: $22 for 75 ml (2.5 oz.) But if you've spent $2k - or more - on a leather jacket, why would you use a lesser product? (Full disclosure, until now I've been using stuff I buy from my cobbler and testing less expensive stuff like Honey Conditioner and Lexol.) Saphir also has conditioners and cleaners for nabuck/suede/textile, exotic leathers, and cordovan in their product lineup.

    MBD
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    got a good deal on a schoot horse hide perfecto for 200$

    was really stiff, kinda shiny, smooth and a bit too big, but i was actually gonna wear it riding my motorcycle so no biggie.

    finally got around to wash it after coming across this page.

    first i hot soaked it as much as i could in the bath tub with the hotest water possible then threw it in the spin cycle to drain then machine dried as much as i could. still didn't change much.

    then decided i would boil the jacket in a big pot on the stove top. i ment to leave it on low for a while but i had it set to medium heat at first but than forgot about it. actually left it on a medium simmer for about 2 hours OOPS.

    when i took it out, the leather was actually blistered.... was a little mad at myself at first but then just threw it in the spin cycle to drain than machine dry again, then air dried in front of a fan for a day for completed drying.

    the blistering wasn't that bad, and actually pretty cool IMO, fit is down at least .5 to a full size and fits way better. i wish i had better before pics and measured.

    but here is before:


    and after:


    close ups of blistering:




    now i should do a nice conditioning. will mink oil work?

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    I wonder if washing the Julius leather turns out poorly because the ones experimented on were vegetable-tanned?

    Per Wiki:
    Vegetable-tanned leather is tanned using tannin and other ingredients found in vegetable matter, such as tree bark prepared in bark mills, and other such sources. It is supple and brown in color, with the exact shade depending on the mix of chemicals and the color of the skin. It is the only form of leather suitable for use in leather carving or stamping. Vegetable-tanned leather is not stable in water; it tends to discolor, and if left to soak and then dry it will shrink and become less supple and harder. In hot water, it will shrink drastically and partly gelatinize, becoming rigid and eventually brittle.


    Julius Jello Leather...Yum.

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