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    SZ 2.0? Either way, very excited for whatever it may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skye X View Post
    Well now you've gone and gotten us all excited. Do you have an eta?

    Next week! Just another article, monologue, but definitely very much in Faustian vein ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faust View Post
    Next week! Just another article, monologue, but definitely very much in Faustian vein ;-)
    Drop it like its hott!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by supercilious View Post
    Today young people in art and fashion schools are doing their own things without being part of something larger.

    I had been thinking about this recently-- To me it seems that the possibility of a "movement" is nulled out by how global/expensive these institutions have become.

    To me it seems that discourse is really limited by the infrastructure-- With modern applications (reddit, discord etc) contributing to conversations needing less attention span and depth. And forums (from friends I have talked to, seeming like ancient unsurmountable pyramids) from internet 1.0. Maybe contributing further to this is the lack of the communal feeling enjoyed by you first Gen Users 10 odd years ago, and an "easy tool" to get caught up to date. Perhaps on accident the medium encouraged a generational divide.

    I was reading an interview with the late Mark Fisher and he spoke about something that made me think about this again;

    "In a roundtable you did with Green Gartside from Scriti Politi, he used a great term: ‘critical admixture’. So, around the music bands made, particularly with punk and post-punk, there was this ‘critical admixture’, which was taking ideas from philosophy, taking ideas from social movements, and using the whole lot to mount a challenge to the mainstream. So actually, is it that ‘critical admixture’ which has been stripped away?

    Yes, this is what I’m talking about in this book, and the melancholy is kind of about that. That critical admixture is what formed me. You know, my education didn’t come from school, which I hated, it came from reading NME. Which again, NME is like Channel 4 I think, if you want to look at the decline of British culture over the last 30 years look at what the NME was like then to what it’s like now. But there was that public service broadcasting via Channel 4 and the BBC, and this wider supporting culture. And art colleges were a big part of that, Green went to Leeds, and you know the re-embourgeoisement of art colleges is significant. It’s what happens with apparently banal changes in funding structures. If you make people pay for their own education, then we will see the consequences of that. One of the things we haven’t talked about is the class domination of things like popular culture and popular music. The absurd number of ex-private school kids who are now dominating the indie scene or whatever. Because only they can afford it; only they can afford to get into the networks where culture happens. The absurd myth of neoliberalism is that creativity is this infinite well-spring which is equally distributed amongst human beings and it’s only blocked by the State or socialists. But of course, it’s the exact opposite. The creativity only happens when there are the conditions for it and collective conditions of one kind or another, and it’s those collective conditions and that critical admixture which has been systematically dismantled."

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    The same thing Fisher describes here is happening in art and fashion schools. The internet is supposedly liberating and democratising access to fashion for all, but tuitions to get into recognised institutions are getting higher and higher.
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    It seems to me that today the level of culture and intelligence of the younger generation has dropped so much that they are no longer able to conduct an interesting dialogue. They have only enough intelligence to argue or post dirty pictures.

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    I just want to say that this forum made me research a lot of topics which does not related to fashion and it was my way to get out of depression and showed that far away from place I'm in there are lot of interesting people who share my beliefs and concepts. I'm still gratefull for discovering this place which made me better.

    I agree about people from Russia (post-soviet) cause first 2 years I was too shy to write what I think.

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    I've learned so much from this forum's members - about music, art, books, etc. - it's incredible.
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    Thank you Monologue, whatever field you're dealing with, you will find systematic oppression. The divide greatens with time.
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    I have never been a big Instagram user. I used it actively in grade 9 and 10: Facebook, much the same. I think the exploitation of these platforms through big-data sharing has pushed me further away from them. The ever so egocentric TikToks have spewed over into the IG pool, which was already so intoxicated with egoist poison. The algorithm is truly trash. As mentioned in this thread, it doesn't create an extensive dialogue. Any relationship made, be it business, platonic or romantic, is usually private and depends on your profile, followers, and likes.
    For the average user, it becomes a competition, which opens another entry point for exploitation.
    Perhaps social engineering?

    Not only FB and IG, but Youtube too (never used Twitter.)
    What Youtube is good for is dialogue, to a certain degree. I recommend changing profiles when you start predicting their recommendations. I only realised how mad it was that I had been using the same account for eight years, making you wonder about all the data collected throughout the years.
    How many videos did you watch at your own will?


    I do not consider myself a conspiracy theorist, but I consider how much power I give to new technology.
    These centralised platforms do not serve to be social anymore.

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