Carol Christian Poell

[SHYE_POSER]

lowery got it...shit pic and the beige from this season.
I must say on thy looked really cool non the less.

[Venus in Furs]

I am one of those that wouldn't show interest in a designer if I didn't support the most out there ideas they convey. I don't want Rick Owens to be remembered for his leather jackets, and I don't want CCP to be remembered for his. I applaud ccp for his horse tail coat and piglet handbag. Wouldn't mind seeing pictures of those if anyone has them. I saw them before, but forgot to save them,

[Heirloom]

thank you!

[Venus in Furs]

Not the horsetail coat, but close



And some other interesting things

Udder Crown


Udder Bag




Pig Intestine Pullover

[Spencer]

Whoa. Thread is getting kinda creepy...

[Venus in Furs]

Ha, I just finished a philosophy assignment for Uni which looked at some of Poell's work so I've stumbled across a lot of stuff the last few days.

[Enaml]

Ha, I just finished a philosophy assignment for Uni which looked at some of Poell's work so I've stumbled across a lot of stuff the last few days.

Such as?

[Venus in Furs]

Probably stuff you guys have mostly seen. Just articles, photos etc. The MAK website has quite a lot of stuff.


One thing I was wondering, is that black and white pic the only one that exists of Poell himself? I've never seen any other photo of him.

[Chinorlz]

I've been enamored with the pig intestine pullover ever since I've seen it. It's one of the pieces of his that I've really really wanted.

[Venus in Furs]

The pieces I really want are the ramie coat Snaf has, The leather fencing jacket Klangspiel is selling, and the belt rug on ebay, which, if I'm not mistaken, is yours?

Those are my grail CCP pieces atm

[Chinorlz]

this is interesting, Albert, can you say more?

Sure Laika!

My interpretation of Carol's womenswear is that he finds less freedom with the designing itself. I see him expressing this frustration (if one can call it that) by blatantly being subversive in his designs; dresses that expose genitalia etc.

At the same time, I find that he demonstrates his understanding (appreciation even) of the female form through the cast leather pieces such as the white stiff cast leather dress that was formed and fit to the model before drying. The long dresses he's created in leather with the blood dying are pretty well cut and bring attention to the classic hourglass figure and some of his pieces do a "peek a boo" type job with glimpses of breasts and wide and deep exposed views of the back.

The restrictive nature and feel that a lot of his womenswear pieces evoke what I see as Carol demonstrating disinterest in womenswear 'classic' construction/pieces/design as a whole. (classic) skirts, blouses, dresses, footwear, purses don't seem to interest him. If anything, I see his womenswear designs from back then as the most imaginative and creative works he's done. The menswear has almost always been wearable/essentially wearable while he completely freed himself when it came to constructing the womens pieces and ideas to the collections.

Perhaps it's scheduling these days that has made him abandon that unhindered creativity of those collections or pure business practicality necessitating both the mens and womens pieces be wearable/marketable as much as Carol's work can be.

Of course I could be doing the standard overdissection/overanalyzation of CCP that others apply to other artists' works

[Chinorlz]

The pieces I really want are the ramie coat Snaf has, The leather fencing jacket Klangspiel is selling, and the belt rug on ebay, which, if I'm not mistaken, is yours?

Those are my grail CCP pieces atm

That piece is indeed mine... certainly open to trades. Just drop me a pm if you got some stuff!


if it fits you, Klang's fencing is one of THE pieces to get. Quintessential Carol that balances aggression and elegance in the most perfect of ways.

[Venus in Furs]

Yeh, it'd be my size, he's in Australia as well, same as me

I'm going overseas in January, so right now was the worst time for these grails to pop up. Unfortunately, I have nothing worth trading either. See how it goes though, if no one else picks them up, I may just have to kop a blow to my credit card.

[Heirloom]

Sure Laika!

My interpretation of Carol's womenswear is that he finds less freedom with the designing itself. I see him expressing this frustration (if one can call it that) by blatantly being subversive in his designs; dresses that expose genitalia etc.

At the same time, I find that he demonstrates his understanding (appreciation even) of the female form through the cast leather pieces such as the white stiff cast leather dress that was formed and fit to the model before drying. The long dresses he's created in leather with the blood dying are pretty well cut and bring attention to the classic hourglass figure and some of his pieces do a "peek a boo" type job with glimpses of breasts and wide and deep exposed views of the back.

The restrictive nature and feel that a lot of his womenswear pieces evoke what I see as Carol demonstrating disinterest in womenswear 'classic' construction/pieces/design as a whole. (classic) skirts, blouses, dresses, footwear, purses don't seem to interest him. If anything, I see his womenswear designs from back then as the most imaginative and creative works he's done. The menswear has almost always been wearable/essentially wearable while he completely freed himself when it came to constructing the womens pieces and ideas to the collections.

Perhaps it's scheduling these days that has made him abandon that unhindered creativity of those collections or pure business practicality necessitating both the mens and womens pieces be wearable/marketable as much as Carol's work can be.

Of course I could be doing the standard overdissection/overanalyzation of CCP that others apply to other artists' works

This seems to be the case with every fucking designer I see, reserved for a few. They see the woman from the outside, making something that is visually pleasing or has visual impact, but has the experience of wearing it as second priority, and the other way around with mens wear. Mens wear is almost entirely designed from the inside of it, imagining how it will be worn, and how it'll make you feel. this stops creativity. We've seen MA and CD have this subjective angle to womens wear, making it appear less "striking" visually, but probably better garments to wear, but very few designers objectify men to make them ornaments or creatures. This is wear i see unexplored ground.

I would've loved to see ccp's angle of womens wear put on mens wear.

[BSR]

This seems to be the case with every fucking designer I see, reserved for a few. They see the woman from the outside, making something that is visually pleasing or has visual impact, but has the experience of wearing it as second priority, and the other way around with mens wear. Mens wear is almost entirely designed from the inside of it, imagining how it will be worn, and how it'll make you feel. this stops creativity. We've seen MA and CD have this subjective angle to womens wear, making it appear less "striking" visually, but probably better garments to wear, but very few designers objectify men to make them ornaments or creatures. This is wear i see unexplored ground.

I would've loved to see ccp's angle of womens wear put on mens wear.

Very interesting point. About your last suggestion, maybe RO, who is going along the reverse path, from women to men, makes a move in this direction: I think of FW09's wedges, skorts, wrap around leather-shearling-cotton jackets, long black wool dresses... who come from Women lines and are translated into his Men's wardrobe.