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    I'm posting it just to blast it. She is fucking pathetic. A talentless hack who can only imitate. Raf for Jil, anyone? I hate her more than Tom Ford.





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    and my favorite part of the show... makes me feel all fuzzy



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    Those last three looks look like walking bathroom rugs.

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    Speechless

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    I like it. Don't understand the hate (of her, as opposed to the company). I think this collection is quite remarkable for a mainstream international fashion brand. I know that there will be loads of plain suits and shirts etc in the shops, but it's a very experimental collection. There are some seriously weird looks, lovely colours and textures. It's the most "fashion forward" collection of Milan so far, no doubt. Raf for Jil is very weak if you ask me....it's so predictable and more than anything, extremely unflattering. Not, perhaps, more so thatthe Prada carpet jumper, butwith that, there is clearly something approaching "avant garde", in the sense of it being deliberately provocative and challenging. With Raf, the stuff is supposed to be wearable....but if I want a black suit I'd get one that wasn't falling off my shoulders and that is properly tailored. Don't want to look like a kid wearing his first suit.




    Some of the pictures that haven't been posted are really interesting. I would post them up but don't know how. There are really nice mohair sweaters in orange and blue.



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    Johnny, I can see where you are coming from in terms of this collection being "fashion forward," but I can't help picturing the people who buy those mohair sweaters and jackets pairing them with huge D&G sunglasses, ripped jeans, long pointy shoes with cow skin, and some type of graphic t-shirt. To me, it might look edgy on the runway when the models where them, but I think the concept will be lost once Prada's customers (and I know I am stereotyping tremendously here) actually buy and reinvent the look themselves.

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    ^^ You could say that about *any* collection or designer, though. See Mary Kate in Rick Owens leather and bugeye glasses, etc. Or Hillary Duff cutting her Helmut Lang pants into frayed shorts (I wept), and so on.

    Personally, I like the collection overall, I find it a bit kooky and slightly silly. Some of the silhouettes need work, though.

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    A fine and fair point sbw. But I think we have to judge the designer on his or her merits, no? I'm pretty sure I've seen a picture of Bonoin a carpe leather shirt. Not a good look on him. But I have one, and it's a lovely thing; I can't blame Maurizio for Bono(although I can for his crap fall-off buttons!).As a collection of clothes, and as a catwalk presentation, I find this far more interesting than endless rows of charcoal suits and coats.

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    Macuser and Johnny, you both are right. I think I jumped the gun on my previous assessment, although I still can't see how those sweaters and jackets will translate into real life wear [:^)]. Albeit a personal opinion, I can't still help but thinking they are just shag carpets cut into clothes.

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    Here you go, Johnny




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    a few more




    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    [quote user="Johnny"]

    I like it. Don't understand the hate (of her, as opposed to the company). I think this collection is quite remarkable for a mainstream international fashion brand. I know that there will be loads of plain suits and shirts etc in the shops, but it's a very experimental collection. There are some seriously weird looks, lovely colours and textures. It's the most "fashion forward" collection of Milan so far, no doubt. Raf for Jil is very weak if you ask me....it's so predictable and more than anything, extremely unflattering. Not, perhaps, more so thatthe Prada carpet jumper, butwith that, there is clearly something approaching "avant garde", in the sense of it being deliberately provocative and challenging. With Raf, the stuff is supposed to be wearable....but if I want a black suit I'd get one that wasn't falling off my shoulders and that is properly tailored. Don't want to look like a kid wearing his first suit.




    Some of the pictures that haven't been posted are really interesting. I would post them up but don't know how. There are really nice mohair sweaters in orange and blue.




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    I can't agree there, Johnny. I think this is crap - the outerwear silhouette is stolen from Raf for Jil, it's just way too obvious (and ironic, given that they owned Jil and now copy Raf's designs). The hairy stuff just looks dumb, and so do the fur coats. There is wearable art, I agree, but this is far from it. There are two ways to raise brows, a Comme one and a Willhelm/Jeremy Scott one. This is not Comme des Garcons. It maybe tries to make a statement, but it's a statement a la Bernard Willhelm, if you ask me.

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    I'm not quite following, Faust. Can you elaborate on that distinction you are making, between the comme statement and the bw?



    I don't mind this--it's loads better than anything she's done for women lately. Kind of cute, actually.

    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    I'm not quite following, Faust. Can you elaborate on that distinction you are making, between the comme statement and the bw?



    I don't mind this--it's loads better than anything she's done for women lately. Kind of cute, actually.



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    I think what come does is very complicated in terms of workmanship, and there are clearly built in ideas in her kooky stuff (take the FW06 with building in mens suits into womens garments). In other words, there is a certain technical excellency coupled with a concept. As for Willhelm/Scott thing - they are just screaming gaudy pop-art, not much of a concept (or definitely a used-up one), and definitely not much in terms of tailoring, experimenting, and quality.

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    I like it too. It's a bestr collection in Milan so far imo.




    Look at all the "trends" and she makes them the most interesting. Wide, long sweaters + skinny pants, and oversized macs-shirts.I like how she "plays" with colours (the red is fading into trouser from swr) and texture. The "carpet" lookscheap but fun and different. Only Prada does textures this season. Everybody else is doing plain, stiff and smooth surfaces.




    She made the shiny plastic look for spring and now everybody is following.




    It's very quirky for a mainstream lines (but the shiny shoeswill bea hit)




    Only thing I don't like is the horizotal blocks at the top of the clothes.




    EDIT: now sheshows plastic bags, "baging" everybody else who showsplastic suits:-P


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    Faust I see what you're saying about comme/bernahrd. This actually reminded me a bit of comme. I think there probably is less craft to it, but i like it none the less. I suppose I just like it because it's different, because it's not what you'd expect from a big fashion brand (compare it to Valentino for example) or even a smaller fashion brand from Milan (see the pure Queer Eye for the Straight Guy of Etro). It is a bit confused, I agree, but that's maybe why i like it. Raf never seems confused, but he bores me shitless because of it. Confusion is part of life. Sometimes we make mistakes (like it would be a mistake to wear a carpet jumper), but, anyway, we can't be overly serious about this stuff.


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    I generally agree with Faust's opinion regarding prada. I think the label, as a whole, makes garments that are worth nowhere near their pricepoints. This season in particular, strikes me in a slightly different way. The pieces look "safe," but not in the usual mainstream fashion house style. They look like an unnecessarily muted version of, as Faust stated, Raf for Sander. To me, the fact that nothing really stands out at all (even the atrocious hairy things are only bothersome enough for a quick double take). There's not much here that I either really care for or really detest. And, honestly, i'd much rather it drift to one extreme or the other.



    Additionally, the cuts do look rather off. And, if they look that unflattering on a model, I can't even imagine what they'd look like on me or anyone I know.


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    I don't totally hate Prada, but I think the fashion media tends to blow out of proportion how "revolutionary" and "smart" her shows are. People give Prada so much credit because she designs for a monster brand yet isn't afraid to put totally ugly stuff on the runway. I suppose in a way it's more gutsy then brands like Gucci, Dolce, or Dsquared that know there base and put out variations on a theme every season. But Muiccia's anti-fashion approach isn't deserving of all the praise heaped upon her. It takes much more skill to make something strange/new/conceptual that is still quite wearable and beautiful.
    Anyway, this collection is pretty typical prada. I like some of the dye techniques used on the fuzzy sweaters and how it bleeds onto some of the pants.

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    [quote user="casem83"]I don't totally hate Prada, but I think the fashion media tends to blow out of proportion how "revolutionary" and "smart" her shows are. People give Prada so much credit because she designs for a monster brand yet isn't afraid to put totally ugly stuff on the runway. I suppose in a way it's more gutsy then brands like Gucci, Dolce, or Dsquared that know there base and put out variations on a theme every season. But Muiccia's anti-fashion approach isn't deserving of all the praise heaped upon her. It takes much more skill to make something strange/new/conceptual that is still quite wearable and beautiful.
    Anyway, this collection is pretty typical prada. I like some of the dye techniques used on the fuzzy sweaters and how it bleeds onto some of the pants.


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    Thank you. That's my vendetta against her. Everyone kisses her ass and goes on about how, well, revolutionary and smart her designs are, and how talented she is, when she's anything but. I hate fashion industry because of the emperor's new clothes shit like that.

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    But she did make ugly clothes wearable and "beautiful" (kind of:-).




    I don't think one should say her design is smart or intelligent or revolutionary *now*. (Maybe it was.) But the stuffs are very Prada's own clothes, unexpected at the same time, and quite fun.


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