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Re: Yohji Yamamoto Womenswear FW07/08 Paris
[quote user="Faust"]
I think the comparison is very right. There are two ways to think about a designer. #1 (and most preferred by me, I think the only pure one) is to judge the garments themselves. #2, to judge designers work as a socio-political commentary. To be honest, two is bullshit used to cover inadequate work - it's exactly the reason for proliferation of terrible contemporary art. Rei has been judged exclusively in terms of #2 in the past several seasons, for the reasons that dontbecruel pointed out. Go back to tFS or press reviews - it's all about "smart," "subversive," "ironic," etc. - there is not much discussion in terms of clothes. So, I don't see how my comment was unfair. If Rei did the monogram, people wouldn't be saying, "wow, the clothes look bad," - they'd be saying, "wow, she's so smart, subversive, ironic." Gold, Rolling Stones lips, Pink Panther? Give me a break.
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First of all, I think we can'tcomparedesigners whenthey haven't actually made the work.
Of course we can judge the garments themself. Then we can onlysee it fromtechnical points of view, if it is well designed, executed, sewn, dyed... But even in a technical context there are differences in judgement. And it doens't give you a whole view on things that happen and that make the end result in the garment.
I think we can't compare designers simply because they work indifferent ways. Yamamoto seems to work with woman body inmind, to make women look beautiful. Yamamoto seems to be more fashion forward than RK. She works merely with ideas. Sometimes it's like a student's works: let make tongues, gold,or let's just twist the fabrics. The point is she makes her ideas to the end and then push morelater. She doesn't care much about the comfortable-wearable-beautiful-on the bodyresult. I think she might sometimes not know what will happen in the end.This is whyit is exciting. Of course it could look ridiculous. But that's what about doing new things. New in the context that never done like this before.
Of course the "things that happen" mostly used to, as you said, cover inadequate works. It's difficult to see what is authenthic and what is not. But I think we just have to follow our instinc:-P
[quote user="Faust"]
I think the comparison is very right. There are two ways to think about a designer. #1 (and most preferred by me, I think the only pure one) is to judge the garments themselves. #2, to judge designers work as a socio-political commentary. To be honest, two is bullshit used to cover inadequate work - it's exactly the reason for proliferation of terrible contemporary art. Rei has been judged exclusively in terms of #2 in the past several seasons, for the reasons that dontbecruel pointed out. Go back to tFS or press reviews - it's all about "smart," "subversive," "ironic," etc. - there is not much discussion in terms of clothes. So, I don't see how my comment was unfair. If Rei did the monogram, people wouldn't be saying, "wow, the clothes look bad," - they'd be saying, "wow, she's so smart, subversive, ironic." Gold, Rolling Stones lips, Pink Panther? Give me a break.
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First of all, I think we can'tcomparedesigners whenthey haven't actually made the work.
Of course we can judge the garments themself. Then we can onlysee it fromtechnical points of view, if it is well designed, executed, sewn, dyed... But even in a technical context there are differences in judgement. And it doens't give you a whole view on things that happen and that make the end result in the garment.
I think we can't compare designers simply because they work indifferent ways. Yamamoto seems to work with woman body inmind, to make women look beautiful. Yamamoto seems to be more fashion forward than RK. She works merely with ideas. Sometimes it's like a student's works: let make tongues, gold,or let's just twist the fabrics. The point is she makes her ideas to the end and then push morelater. She doesn't care much about the comfortable-wearable-beautiful-on the bodyresult. I think she might sometimes not know what will happen in the end.This is whyit is exciting. Of course it could look ridiculous. But that's what about doing new things. New in the context that never done like this before.
Of course the "things that happen" mostly used to, as you said, cover inadequate works. It's difficult to see what is authenthic and what is not. But I think we just have to follow our instinc:-P
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