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    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    I saw this yesterday, but I'm already tired or criticizing her.
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    Imageshack is being maddeningly slow....I'll have to wait to post the rest. [:(]



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    try tinypic.com
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    Here we go...






    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    [quote user="Faust"]I saw this yesterday, but I'm already tired or criticizing her.
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    uh-uh--you are not getting off so easily this time! [74] Unless you admit you just don't like Comme des Garcons...have you ever liked a collection, apart from the twisted one? [76]



    I find this quite amazing-- a return to form after a rather lackluster fall show. It reminds me of making clothes for rag dolls when I was a kid. [64]



    Incredible details and construction...I would wear all of these:












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    I agree that it is a return to form for CDG. The complexity of form, layer and pattern blows Marni et al out of the water. It is a nice contrast between the super young colors and the complex (even slightly formal) designs, I could see people of all ages wearing this (provided of course that they have a little attitude! [75])



    Really like these two looks. (and the knotted one [64] that Laika pointed out!)



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    [quote user="laika"]

    [quote user="Faust"]I saw this yesterday, but I'm already tired or criticizing her.
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    uh-uh--you are not getting off so easily this time! [74] Unless you admit you just don't like Comme des Garcons...have you ever liked a collection, apart from the twisted one? [76]



    I find this quite amazing-- a return to form after a rather lackluster fall show. It reminds me of making clothes for rag dolls when I was a kid. [64]



    Incredible details and construction...I would wear all of these.



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    I used to like CDG, but not for the last couple of years. She just lost it. There would be nothing new in my criticism that you haven't heard, these stupid tutus, jumble of bright colors, silly cutout frilled pants, awkward, unflattering layering, and so on. It's too late for camp, especially for Rei. Camp is dead, boring, passe, blase. I am so tired of people falling over themselves with postmodern (self)deprecation and irony. I want something serious back, and this is why I will take Yohji over Rei any day of the week.



    The only thing she has left going is the fabrics and construction, but that's been established a long time ago.

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    ^Like I said, you only like that one show. [75] And I love that one too--it was all very wearable and cool.



    Anyway, I completely disagree that this is campy or ironic. (not
    even sure how you came to that conclusion?) It's chaotic, yes, but
    it's not "quoting" anything. Her inspirations were "Clusters,"
    "Randomness," "Cacophany," and this show is a pure, formal
    representation of all three...much more modern than post-modern, really.




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    The only thing she has left going is the fabrics and construction, but that's been established a long time ago.



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    Well, of course. I'm sure Rei would agree with you. (Dress maker, not artist, right? [66]) In that respect, F/W 02 is no different from this, nor is any other CDG show, when you think about it. It's always all about fabrics and construction.

    ...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.

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    A clip from Sarah Mower's review....no irony...[79]



    How to make sense of this? Don't try: The madness was the message.
    "Clusters." "Randomness." "Cacophony." These were the words Kawakubo
    used to explain her inspiration, and then, of course, it all fell into
    place as a figurative observation of the state of modern urban
    consciousness. It was suddenly easy to imagine Kawakubo walking to work
    in the center of Tokyo, taking off her mental filters and letting in
    all the noise, clashing color, and fragmentary simultaneous imagery of
    the city crowd. Doubtless, within all this there are near-sane simple
    pieces Kawakubo will fill her stores with, and sell, too. But that was
    not the point the happy-looking crowd left the building
    discussing?rather it was the fact that, though many may emulate her,
    there is no one to touch the free-thinking experimentalism Kawakubo can
    bestow on fashion.


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    [quote user="laika"]

    ^Like I said, you only like that one show. [75] And I love that one too--it was all very wearable and cool.



    Anyway, I completely disagree that this is campy or ironic. (not
    even sure how you came to that conclusion?) It's chaotic, yes, but
    it's not "quoting" anything. Her inspirations were "Clusters,"
    "Randomness," "Cacophany," and this show is a pure, formal
    representation of all three...much more modern than post-modern, really.




    [quote user="Faust"]



    The only thing she has left going is the fabrics and construction, but that's been established a long time ago.



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    Well, of course. I'm sure Rei would agree with you. (Dress maker, not artist, right? [66]) In that respect, F/W 02 is no different from this, nor is any other CDG show, when you think about it. It's always all about fabrics and construction.



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    That's not true - I liked some shows before and after that as well. It was cacophony, all right, and looked like it too - in other words, a mess, but not an appealing one.



    How I got Rei>camp>irony? Easy, most of her shows lately have been obvious camp. This retained elements of it with loud, playful colors, tutus, etc. I guess there were no obvious reference to something specific (Pink Panther, Rolling Stones, Disney), but I don't think it has be so to be campy. And, camp is ironic, is it not?

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    I also always seem to find myself criticising Rei's collections here, which is boring for the rest of you to read. I agree that some of the construction is fascinating (and the first two details Laika posted are very nice indeed). But so much of the impact of this seems to depend on the styling, which I can't think of any way to describe other than pretentious (sorry, I know that's pretty weak, but it's true too). Most of the clothes are essentially ugly (especially the fabrics) but it's all carried off with the air that something important is being done. Personally I think Rei is fishing for compliments when she says she is only a dressmaker. The audience is supposed to say "oh no, darling, you are a revolutionary philosopher".



    From about 82 to 87 the Comme collections were beautiful. They made simplicity sexy. They were playful and attractive and had a kind of social utopianism that transcended the confines of the fashion world. Since then I personally think Rei has been trading on her reputation.


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    That's not true - I liked some shows before and after that as well. It was cacophony, all right, and looked like it too - in other words, a mess, but not an appealing one.



    How I got Rei>camp>irony? Easy, most of her shows lately have been obvious camp. This retained elements of it with loud, playful colors, tutus, etc. I guess there were no obvious reference to something specific (Pink Panther, Rolling Stones, Disney), but I don't think it has be so to be campy. And, camp is ironic, is it not?



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    Camp is necessarily ironic. But clashing colors and tutus don't equal camp. There needs to be an element of quotation and she's really not referencing anything here (unlike, say, Bernhard Wilhelm, who is pretty much all camp all the time). She's simply creating cacophany, like you said, and there's nothing ironic about it. It just is. Cacophany.



    So, no irony, no camp. [66]



    Reading dbc's post though, I realize why you keep going back to that twisted collection. It was amazingly inventive; completely true to the spirit of CDG; and *beautiful. The recent shows completely lack that simplicity, which makes them seem more contrived and less "honest." The workmanship is still dazzling of course, but it's so over the top, that one has to wonder what (if anything) is driving it all. Perhaps this is Rei's intention though...she's always saying that her collections aren't "about" anything.



    Anyway...you know at the end of the day, I am Yohji's girl. [64]



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    That's not true - I liked some shows before and after that as well. It was cacophony, all right, and looked like it too - in other words, a mess, but not an appealing one.



    How I got Rei>camp>irony? Easy, most of her shows lately have been obvious camp. This retained elements of it with loud, playful colors, tutus, etc. I guess there were no obvious reference to something specific (Pink Panther, Rolling Stones, Disney), but I don't think it has be so to be campy. And, camp is ironic, is it not?



    [/quote]



    Camp is necessarily ironic. But clashing colors and tutus don't equal camp. There needs to be an element of quotation and she's really not referencing anything here (unlike, say, Bernhard Wilhelm, who is pretty much all camp all the time). She's simply creating cacophany, like you said, and there's nothing ironic about it. It just is. Cacophany.



    So, no irony, no camp. [66]



    Reading dbc's post though, I realize why you keep going back to that twisted collection. It was amazingly inventive; completely true to the spirit of CDG; and *beautiful. The recent shows completely lack that simplicity, which makes them seem more contrived and less "honest." The workmanship is still dazzling of course, but it's so over the top, that one has to wonder what (if anything) is driving it all. Perhaps this is Rei's intention though...she's always saying that her collections aren't "about" anything.



    Anyway...you know at the end of the day, I am Yohji's girl. [64]





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    Ok, so if I gave you a theme (say, something like - "this is referencing a discarded rag-doll that a child threw out upon growing up and Rei has somehow rediscovered it), would that make it camp? [72] I don't know, maybe it was the wrong word - but I don't like the collection anyway, because I don't think it's much different then her other recent collections.

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    It would only be camp if she was *ironically" referencing the rag doll. Like Bernhard and his cannabis prints; or any number of things they sell Seven. [73] Seven is super campy.



    There has to be something almost insincere about the reference..something "so bad that it's good."



    Sorry if I sound nit-picky...this flu is probably making me grouchy. [:$]

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    [quote user="laika"]

    It would only be camp if she was *ironically" referencing the rag doll. Like Bernhard and his cannabis prints; or any number of things they sell Seven. [73] Seven is super campy.



    There has to be something almost insincere about the reference..something "so bad that it's good."



    Sorry if I sound nit-picky...this flu is probably making me grouchy. [:$]



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    No, it's cool [51]

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