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  • Magician
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 709

    Television

    Television seems to have almost surpassed film as the medium for intelligent, provocative entertainment. I'd venture that the crap v. quality ratio is now better in television then in film.

    Currently watching:
    Sons of Anarchy

    Eagerly awaiting:
    LOST: The Final Season

    Best Television of the Decade:
    The Wire

    Well worth watching:
    Dexter
    It's Always sunny in Philadelphia
    The Office
    Deadwood
    The Sopranos
    Six Feet Under
    Mad Men

    Magic Related:
    Derren Brown's Mind Control
    Penn & Teller's Bullshit
    Selling badass McQueen topcoat 48/38/M. I also write and tweet.
  • Acid, Bitter and Sad
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 1063

    #2
    eagerly awaiting Breaking Bad

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    • laughed
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2009
      • 769

      #3
      24 .

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      • Aleks
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 475

        #4
        The attractive brunette from Lost was in the restaurant that I worked at the other day.

        The actor Lochlyn Munro was in the restaurant as well.

        This is at a small restaurant an hour away from Vancouver

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        • Faust
          kitsch killer
          • Sep 2006
          • 37852

          #5
          Magician, what kind of fucking crack are you smoking? TV is one big sewer with a rare semi-precious stone stuck in it.
          Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

          StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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          • endersgame
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 1623

            #6
            /thread

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            • Magician
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2008
              • 709

              #7
              Originally posted by Faust View Post
              Magician, what kind of fucking crack are you smoking? TV is one big sewer with a rare semi-precious stone stuck in it.
              That was the state of television until recently but now it's really maturing as an art form. The serialized, long-form nature allows for subtle characterization and epic-ness in scope largely absent from contemporary film. Some of the best television even plays directly on television's campy, pulpy past (Battlestar Galactica)

              I defy you to watch shows like The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Battlestar Galactica, Six Feet Under, Mad Men or mini series like Band of Brothers and still make that statement. Even the lighter fare is outpacing cinema, I can't think of any recent film comedies that measure up to the perverse absurdism of It's always Sunny in Philadelphia or the good-natured suburban angst of The Office. Even Soutpark hides some truly biting social commentary underneath it's crude hilarity.

              In an economic climate such as this television becomes a much more relevant entertainment option; free, legal, high-quality episodes on my laptop are going to be winning out against a ten dollar trip to my local theater. Also: hands down, I have not come across any drama (theater/film etc) more powerful then The Wire produced in the last ten years.

              Television may not have an Orson Welles or a Hitchcock or a Bergman - but neither does film, at least nowdays. Meanwhile David Simon is tip-tapping at his keyboard while Polanski languishes in a California jail cell.
              Selling badass McQueen topcoat 48/38/M. I also write and tweet.

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              • Fuuma
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2006
                • 4050

                #8
                Originally posted by Faust View Post
                Magician, what kind of fucking crack are you smoking? TV is one big sewer with a rare semi-precious stone stuck in it.
                American TV series have gotten really good while I can't say the same of their equivalent (mainstream American films). It's definitely not art but it is often well-crafted and engrossing genre.

                I mean the wire, the shield, sons of anarchy, breaking bad etc all good.


                Oh and...

                Two good recent french series:

                Pigalle la nuit
                Braquo
                Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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                • Fuuma
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 4050

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Magician View Post
                  That was the state of television until recently but now it's really maturing as an art form. The serialized, long-form nature allows for subtle characterization and epic-ness in scope largely absent from contemporary film. Some of the best television even plays directly on television's campy, pulpy past (Battlestar Galactica)

                  I defy you to watch shows like The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Battlestar Galactica, Six Feet Under, Mad Men or mini series like Band of Brothers and still make that statement. Even the lighter fare is outpacing cinema, I can't think of any recent film comedies that measure up to the perverse absurdism of It's always Sunny in Philadelphia or the good-natured suburban angst of The Office. Even Soutpark hides some truly biting social commentary underneath it's crude hilarity.

                  In an economic climate such as this television becomes a much more relevant entertainment option; free, legal, high-quality episodes on my laptop are going to be winning out against a ten dollar trip to my local theater. Also: hands down, I have not come across any drama (theater/film etc) more powerful then The Wire produced in the last ten years.

                  Television may not have an Orson Welles or a Hitchcock or a Bergman - but neither does film, at least nowdays. Meanwhile David Simon is tip-tapping at his keyboard while Polanski languishes in a California jail cell.
                  Bergman made tv mini-series (think Fanny and Alexander). Hell Fassbinder, Lynch and Von Trier also did.
                  Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
                  http://www.stylezeitgeist.com/forums...me-other-stuff

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                  • Johnny
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 1923

                    #10
                    eastenders is pretty good at the moment, and silent witness was really good tonight

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                    • Faust
                      kitsch killer
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 37852

                      #11
                      Defy me to watch some shows?! Let's not get too serious here :-)

                      Mad Men is pretty good, I admit, but I've lost interest in the middle of the third season anyway. I watch an occasional episode of 30 Rock, and it's witty. Band of Brothers was great, but it was essentially a long film, and I saw it on DVD. As for the rest you've mentioned, I couldn't care less about Sopranos, and the rest I probably couldn't care to start watching. There is no way TV could ever measure up to cinema, if we are talking about serious taste. That's just absurd. For low-to-lower-middle-brow entertainment, Ok, sure, but personally I rarely have time or desire to be entertained that way unless I am really mind-numbingly tired. Even then I would much prefer something like the Daily Show. I only watch sports on TV, but I don't really consider it entertainment.

                      Now go read a book.
                      Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

                      StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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                      • galia
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 1719

                        #12
                        Sons of anarchy is awful, you people ARE on crack

                        I mean, I like some series, but I can't take them too seriously. Breaking Bad might be an exception, but then I thought Oz also was and upon re-watching it I found it enjoyable but full of weaknesses and too obvious, so time will tell

                        I can't for the life of me understand the appeal of Lost or 24 though. Too much ridiculous taking itself seriously

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                        • Fuuma
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 4050

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Faust View Post
                          Defy me to watch some shows?! Let's not get too serious here :-)

                          Mad Men is pretty good, I admit, but I've lost interest in the middle of the third season anyway. I watch an occasional episode of 30 Rock, and it's witty. Band of Brothers was great, but it was essentially a long film, and I saw it on DVD. As for the rest you've mentioned, I couldn't care less about Sopranos, and the rest I probably couldn't care to start watching. There is no way TV could ever measure up to cinema, if we are talking about serious taste. That's just absurd. For low-to-lower-middle-brow entertainment, Ok, sure, but personally I rarely have time or desire to be entertained that way unless I am really mind-numbingly tired. Even then I would much prefer something like the Daily Show. I only watch sports on TV, but I don't really consider it entertainment.

                          Now go read a book.
                          The Wire is an utterly brilliant piece of sociological commentary and takes full advantage of the medium. It is novelistic in the way that it sustains storylines over the course of the entire series and not from episode to episode.

                          I used to be like you and couldn't bear to watch TV series, very few exceptions aside (say the prisoner).
                          Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
                          http://www.stylezeitgeist.com/forums...me-other-stuff

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                          • Fuuma
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 4050

                            #14
                            Originally posted by galia View Post
                            Sons of anarchy is awful, you people ARE on crack

                            I mean, I like some series, but I can't take them too seriously. Breaking Bad might be an exception, but then I thought Oz also was and upon re-watching it I found it enjoyable but full of weaknesses and too obvious, so time will tell

                            I can't for the life of me understand the appeal of Lost or 24 though. Too much ridiculous taking itself seriously
                            I don't watch lost and couldn't finish the second season of 24, boring and stupid show.

                            Regarde Braquo c'est marrant, dialogue en papier mâché façon polar série noire et atmosphère torturée. Ça me rapelle les publicités de "Brut" à l'endos. C'est vraiment du genre mais tout à fait consommable.
                            Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
                            http://www.stylezeitgeist.com/forums...me-other-stuff

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                            • laughed
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 769

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Fuuma View Post
                              I don't watch lost and couldn't finish the second season of 24, boring and stupid show.

                              Regarde Braquo c'est marrant, dialogue en papier mâché façon polar série noire et atmosphère torturée. Ça me rapelle les publicités de "Brut" à l'endos. C'est vraiment du genre mais tout à fait consommable.

                              The only reason why I like it is Kiefer. He used to go to a hole in the wall bar I used to go to and he was a really nice guy. And let's just say, dude could party. Saw him on Letterman last night, obviously still the same ol Kiefer. Plus I always liked him since growing up on The Lost Boys and him yelling "You're dead meeeeaaatt!!!!"

                              One thing I sure as heck don't watch are comedies. My brother and multiple friends tried to get me into It's Always Sunny... I watched like 5 minutes. Not my thing. The last time I watched a sitcom was obviously Seinfeld, and even then I have to agree, TV is a waste, I would much rather waste my time elsewhere - like here.

                              Downloaded some Japanese tv - Oh Mikey! now that's some tv.

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