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Originally posted by merzindeed, worlds apart from bespoke shoes.Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Originally posted by merzthe significance is your apparent concern, first and foremost, with how something is interpreted by popular consensus or specific parties, occasionally to a point where i can't help but wonder if you're as interested in the garments themselves as what they entail and how they are received within certain audiences. shoes being an example, call me silly but you sometimes appear to be more fascinated with some kind of a secret handshake element to that whole thing.
the first thing you said was that they'll disapprove, whoever they are.
why should that part ever be a guiding principle if you think something looks cool.
Might I add that you're talking to someone especially interested in aesthetics (in the philosophical sense) so imagine what it is when it's about other people.Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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I get shit for Poell shoes and drop crotch pants so a skirt isn't going to be that big of a leap. Anyone around here who doesn't wear skate/surfwear is looked at weird so it's no big deal to me.
(wait, isn't there a thread on this?)
Like Merz said though; If I (or anyone else) dressed to social standards (especially here in the US), I wouldn't be wearing half the pieces in my wardrobe. I definitely don't wear the things I do to please the people in my surroundings and nor do I want to start."because the young are whores. dealers come to carol to get the rock"
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Fuuma, if your interested in aesthetics(in a philosophical sense)
don't forget your body!
I look only at the movements
-Kierkegaard
A sensation that acts directly on the body, without needing
to be processed by the significations available in the mind.
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Fuuma, I don't think anyone here would deny that clothing signifies/means something to other people. But you do seem to place an undue amount of emphasis on that particular level of signification--or particular type of interpretant, as CSP would have it. There are other levels of signification to take into account, like that between garments and the body, as B-I is suggesting......I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.
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Originally posted by laika View PostFuuma, I don't think anyone here would deny that clothing signifies/means something to other people. But you do seem to place an undue amount of emphasis on that particular level of signification--or particular type of interpretant, as CSP would have it. There are other levels of signification to take into account, like that between garments and the body, as B-I is suggesting...
2) I'm saying that some pieces significations are so strong that they occupy center stage and evacuate any sort of other considerations one might have about it. I got this great swastika-covered coat, the shape is amazing...Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Fuuma, whereas we are all presumably within society, it might make more sense to say that society is within us, in that it guides many of our choices. If you are suggesting that it takes some extra effort to occupy an in-between place, I would agree. Maybe some of us are more sensitive in this area – I know I am. Pushing the envelope of my self expression while not over-doing it to the extent of feeling blatantly out of place is a constant balancing act for me -- one which I enjoy nonetheless. I relish the resulting tension and attention alike.
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I'm surprised at the turn things have taken here. Great discourse, but personal views are just that and I don't see anyone winning anyone over here (nor should they..own your beliefs). The reason I'm surprised is that the pieces are presented as skirts, but are more than skirts. I guess I expect SZers to see the versatility of a piece at this point. I'd love to own a couple of those as well Cas. Luca's a genius. That's all for now.Last edited by DHC; 02-23-2009, 04:06 PM.Originally posted by Faustfuck you, i don't have an attitude problem.
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Originally posted by merzif we are to suggest that society at large is some all-encompassing other, it may very well be that it views the whole damn lot of us within that 'UGLIEST most OUT OF NIGHTMARE BULLSHIT' mindset spotted over at Kanye's university. Except for fuuma - i'm sure his bespoke shoes tell a certain someone that indeed, he is of a certain social class to make the grade.
do the symbols matter anywhere near as much as their significance in the right eyes?
The paragraph above may be a joke but it remains that, although clothing is often seen here as serving the purpose of self-expression, it also concerns distinction (from the mass) and belonging (to a certain group).
As for signs, I make no claim in having control over them once they’re released, communication being as much about the static as the message. Not that it matters as do we even know ourselves enough to really understand what we’re trying to project and why?
It still remains that as fragmented as opinions, perceptions and values can be, some garments are almost universally (as much as the western world can be universal and, believe me, it is trying) recognized as being associated with a specific something. Skirts with feminity, Swastikas with Nazism, etc. When Gaultier presented skirts he wasn’t just taking an aesthetic stance but being “Gaultier the punk” and raising his middle finger to settled gender roles and their trappings. I remember the gesture but can I visualize the model beyond a faint approximation?Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Originally posted by DHC View PostI'm surprised at the turn things have taken here. Great discourse, but personal views are just that and I don't see anyone winning anyone over here (nor should they..own your beliefs). The reason I'm surprised is that the pieces are presented as skirts, but are more than skirts. I guess I expect SZers to see the versatility of a piece at this point. I'd love to own a couple of those as well Cas. But I wouldn't be wearing them around my waist. Luca's a genius. That's all for now.Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Originally posted by Fuuma View PostThe second one could probably be worn in other ways but the pleated ones are sorta harder to recontextualize, no? I dunno I haven't seen those pieces in person and I think the discussion moved beyond that. Still cool stuff, I like LUC.Originally posted by Faustfuck you, i don't have an attitude problem.
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Originally posted by Fuuma View PostIt still remains that as fragmented as opinions, perceptions and values can be, some garments are almost universally (as much as the western world can be universal and, believe me, it is trying) recognized as being associated with a specific something. Skirts with feminity, Swastikas with Nazism, etc. When Gaultier presented skirts he wasn’t just taking an aesthetic stance but being “Gaultier the punk” and raising his middle finger to settled gender roles and their trappings. I remember the gesture but can I visualize the model beyond a faint approximation?
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Originally posted by BECOMING-INTENSE View Post
Crucifixion(III Part, Right) Francis BaconSelling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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