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Originally posted by FuumaFuck you and your viewpoint, I hate this depoliticized environment where every opinion should be respected, no matter how moronic. My avatar was chosen just for you, die in a ditch fucker.
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Actually, it's most of the stuff you see written about Jobs that reads like high fantasy. This includes drivel like "let's create a narrative juxtaposing his Machiavellian business acumen with his creative genius, there now it's fair and balanced."
Not that the biopic is necessarily bad, but the odds of it being anything other than balls are pretty poor.
(edited for clarity)ain't no beauty queens in this locality
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Originally posted by Faust View PostThis is so naive, honestly. What successful businessman did not make his way to the top by being a cunning bastard? That's how business works 99.9% of the time.
Originally posted by TheDivinitus View PostEn., your issues with Jobs are not glossed over in the new documentary. Job's darker side of doing business, from day 1 through the end, is definitely given plenty of run-time.
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Originally posted by TheDivinitus View PostRight, because the only documentaries worth making or seeing should be about good elves and unicorns.
Originally posted by TheDivinitus View PostI just don't know why the biopic genre was even brought into this discussion. "Steve Jobs: The Man in the Machine" is not a biopic. It is a documentary comprised entirely of archival footage and interviews and not a movie interpretation starring Ashton Kutcher.
I am in the difficult position to talk about a movie that i haven't seen... but I saw the trailer and it is highly dramatic and I'd bet that emphasizing the dark sides of Jobs' character will add a lot of "faustian" (in the Goethe sense, not SZ ;)) romanticism to his "legend".pix
Originally posted by FuumaFuck you and your viewpoint, I hate this depoliticized environment where every opinion should be respected, no matter how moronic. My avatar was chosen just for you, die in a ditch fucker.
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Well, comparing Jobs to Pol Pot, hmmm.
The importance of Jobs is that he was the first global business executive that saw the importance of design, which is the unification of form and function, which is the unification of science and art, with technology being the pathway, which is the solution of a deeply rooted philosophical problem in the Western society where art and science were separated beginning with the Renaissance (though Pirsig puts it much further in history, with the Greeks), creating an incredible amount of technological ugliness, from consumer products to architecture, that has done a disservice to our society.
I am sure he has seen what Braun has done, and Bang and Olufsen on a lesser scale. And I am sure he must have read John Ruskin and Robert Pirsig.
That is why I couldn't care less if he was a conniving despot - everyone in business is. Better him than some fucking airline CEO.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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While we're on the topic, has anyone seen the spectacular We Live in Public about Josh Harris, the creator of the first online video network? Particularly a fan of his underground bunker installation wired for surveillance -- featuring interrogation artist and shooting range.
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Originally posted by Arkady View PostWhile we're on the topic, has anyone seen the spectacular We Live in Public about Josh Harris, the creator of the first online video network? Particularly a fan of his underground bunker installation wired for surveillance -- featuring interrogation artist and shooting range.
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Originally posted by Globi View PostWell, i think several car companies or maybe IKEA realized this before Jobs.
Car companies, maybe BMW comes close, but still falls short of what I have in mind and what Jobs has been able to achieve with Apple.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by Globi View PostWell, i think several car companies or maybe IKEA realized this before Jobs.
And obviously we can follow that back to the Bauhaus, etc etc. and The Great Exhibition in 1851. Or further, but that will get silly.
Doesn't lessen Jobs' contribution to many aspects of today's culture.Hi. I like your necklace. - It's actually a rape whistle, but the whistle part fell off.
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Originally posted by Faust View PostCar companies, maybe BMW comes close"The only rule is don't be boring and dress cute wherever you go. Life is too short to blend in."
-Paris Hilton
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