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It must be that you like robusta, how vulgar.
Originally posted by Faust View PostI am consistently finding that for home use Italian coffee blows everything else out of water. Any regular Illy can or even Lavazza are better than any organic-artisanal-fair-trade-locally-roasted-by-hippie-lesbian-farmers-eco-super-green-my-shit-don't-stink-yuppy-hipster coffee. I don't know what they do to it, but it's the truth.
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Originally posted by t-bone View PostI'm gonna have to say that recently roasted and freshly ground is 98% of the good coffee equation most of the time, and you are just not going to get that from any Italian beans you buy here in NYC. Try a shot from Stumptown and then walk down to the espresso bar at Eataly and tell me that they even come close!Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by Faust View PostI am consistently finding that for home use Italian coffee blows everything else out of water. Any regular Illy can or even Lavazza are better than any organic-artisanal-fair-trade-locally-roasted-by-hippie-lesbian-farmers-eco-super-green-my-shit-don't-stink-yuppy-hipster coffee. I don't know what they do to it, but it's the truth.Hobo: We all dress up. We all put on our armour before we walk out the door, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re trying to be someone else.
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French press and a grinder.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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I worked on a project for illy about 5 years ago, and we got to go to Trieste to tour the processing plant. Crazy complicated and scientific.
One of the reason there coffee is so good is that as the beans are fed through the entire process they have multiple checkpoints to check quality. One of the most amazing things is that all of the beans are fed into what is basically a giant vat before they go off to roasting.
That vat and the way it is set up allows analysis of each bean. If the bean is not up to snuff it gets dumped from the batch. Logistically crazy considering the millions of individual beans that are fed through the plant each day. I think they said on average they reject somewhere between 8-12% of the beans depending on the day.It's absolutely Hedious!
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Hmmm, I know I prefer different beans when I make coffee different ways. For Chemex or single-cup drip, I don't much like Illy or Lavazza, but for French Press they work though they're still not especially to my taste.
david s, have you seen the optical scanning machines (for grapes of course) the big Bordeaux producers use? Those things are truly crazy.Hobo: We all dress up. We all put on our armour before we walk out the door, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re trying to be someone else.
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Originally posted by Faust View PostI am talking about home use. I don't buy ground coffee, only beans, but I do feel like Illy, at least for my personal taste, is smoother and richer than most others. So far the best cup of drip coffee I have found has been from Gimmecoffee! in NoLiTa. The rest seem to claim their fame by making overly strong coffee.
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@ the estrucsan : I think it's probably the same idea. They didn't go into detail about anything it was more along the lines of the following
Group walking and we see a big machine
illy Rep gives run down on how bad coffee beans are spit out & we ask how it works exactly.
illy rep says trade secret.It's absolutely Hedious!
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Originally posted by t-bone View PostYeah I was just using the shots at those two places as an example of how you could easily compare the two. Granted, espresso requires much more of a bean then drip/press coffee, so the deficiencies are exacerbated. We brew drip coffee with a Chemex in the office, though, and I feel like I definitely prefer freshly roasted. We should set up an SZ cupping to really resolve the issue!Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Certainly there is no end-all-be-all but I was wondering what you guys would recommend for an espresso machine in the $1000-1500 range that does good work and does a good job of foaming milk.
At the same time some good grinder recs would be much appreciated!
There are almost too many resources available online and everyone has their own opinion but I'd love to hear what you guys use.
I'm like Faust and use a french press for coffee... and I won't even admit to what I use for espresso/cappuccino hahahawww.AlbertHuangMD.com - Digital Portfolio Of Projects & Designs
Merz (5/22/09):"i'm a firm believer that the ultimate prevailing logic in design is 'does shit look sick as fuck' "
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I have a Rocket Giotto Premium Plus that I love, though thats a little outside your price range. I've heard great things about the Expobar machines:
Espresso machines are exactly what you need for brewing the best coffee and espresso at home. Buy the best espresso machine from the biggest collection around.
Grind quality is equally important as the espresso machine itself, so don't skimp there. There are a lot of people who love the Rancilio Rocky, and I think Macap makes some good, reasonably-priced grinders, but I went ahead and picked up a coffee-shop standard Mazzer Super Jolly used on ebay for under $500 that I know will last longer than I will. If you're buying new, the Mazzer Mini is more of a home standard but will cost you more than that.
I'd spend some time reading coffeegeek.com and home-barista.com if you want to see what the real coffee nerds are recommending these days. I stopped reading once I had my setup perfected.
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Originally posted by Chinorlz View PostCertainly there is no end-all-be-all but I was wondering what you guys would recommend for an espresso machine in the $1000-1500 range that does good work and does a good job of foaming milk.
At the same time some good grinder recs would be much appreciated!
Off the top of my head, since steaming milk is a big deal, I would go with :
Isomac commercial and home machines, including the Tea, Millennium, Venus and Super Giada on sale at 1st-line Equipment LLC
The Quick Mill Anita Evo is Simply the Best-in-Class Semi-Automatic Espresso Machine. 1.6 Liter Boiler. Powerful Heating for Maximum Steam Power. Shop now!
or http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/...presso/vetrano if you can plumb it in.
Though, if you can find a good double-boiler unit used, that would be perfection itself.
I used the earlier version of http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/...spresso/alexia for a long time, and it's an amazing machine, but the time to change from coffee to milk is probably a non-starter for you.
I bought a Mazzer Super Joly back when Starbucks switched to super auto (for $100!). I love it. Mazzer grinders are just incredibly durable, well made, and easy to service. Electronic dosing seems a waste to me when at home though.
EDIT: One person I know uses this one and likes it, but I don't know jack about it: http://www.1st-line.com/machines/hom...l_duo_prof.htmHobo: We all dress up. We all put on our armour before we walk out the door, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re trying to be someone else.
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Sweet. Thanks for the info guys!
I'm just sick of my weak ass machine I have right now (I got what I paid for hahaha). The milk gets watery before it foams because the steam isn't high powered/hot enough and the espresso is nowhere near as rich and dark as it is when I get it at the good joints. Need to up my game!www.AlbertHuangMD.com - Digital Portfolio Of Projects & Designs
Merz (5/22/09):"i'm a firm believer that the ultimate prevailing logic in design is 'does shit look sick as fuck' "
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I had a real good shot of black cat the other day at ground support. Nice spot with bench seating, definitely recommended after shopping.
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