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  • Magic1
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 225

    MBD, and others who have read illuminations, is it hard or useless to read it if you haven't read Kafka, proust, or Baudelaire?

    I read art in the age of mechanical reproduction and some essay on epic theatre back in high school and really liked both. But I haven't read those writers and therefore fear his comments will mean nothing to me.

    Just read humes an enquiry concerning human understanding. Pretty good. Doesn't pack the same punch I'm sure it did back then, but worth reading.

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    • jackg
      Member
      • Oct 2011
      • 75

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      • Faust
        kitsch killer
        • Sep 2006
        • 37849

        Originally posted by Magic1 View Post
        MBD, and others who have read illuminations, is it hard or useless to read it if you haven't read Kafka, proust, or Baudelaire?

        I read art in the age of mechanical reproduction and some essay on epic theatre back in high school and really liked both. But I haven't read those writers and therefore fear his comments will mean nothing to me.

        Just read humes an enquiry concerning human understanding. Pretty good. Doesn't pack the same punch I'm sure it did back then, but worth reading.
        In general, yes it helps to read the texts that are being discussed. Otherwise you will definitely miss some things. Having said that, Illuminations is a pretty accessible book.
        Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

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        • Faust
          kitsch killer
          • Sep 2006
          • 37849

          I bought three books yesterday and now I don't know which one to start with

          Henderson the Rain King by Saul Bellow
          2066 by Roberto Bolano (yes, I know I'm late to the party)
          Clockers by Richard Price
          Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

          StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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          • DamageX
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 495


            I read this a long time ago and decided to re-read it after finding it in the corner of my bookshelf. I love the smell of oxidized paper.

            It's just as amazing as I remembered.

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            • Macro
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2008
              • 351

              ^^^ one of the absolute best opening lines of any book, i feel
              every man has inside himself a parasitic being who is acting not at all to his advantage

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              • dontbecruel
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2006
                • 494

                Originally posted by Faust View Post
                I bought three books yesterday and now I don't know which one to start with

                Henderson the Rain King by Saul Bellow
                2066 by Roberto Bolano (yes, I know I'm late to the party)
                Clockers by Richard Price
                I read Henderson 11 years ago and it set me on a strange and completely new course in life that still continues. I can't promise it will do the same for you but you'll need to read it to find out.

                Re Bolano, I strongly recommend reading Savage Detectives first.

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                • Faust
                  kitsch killer
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 37849

                  Hehe, I love how it takes Bellow to bring you out of hiding.

                  Why should I read Savage Detectives first?
                  Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

                  StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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                  • viv1984viv
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 194

                    I adored 2666. It's the only Bolano I have read. Sumptuous book. Interested in the Savage Detective comment dontbecruel.... I was thinking of reading that.

                    I'm currently reading (amongst all the academic texts) Thomas Ligotti's Teatro Grottesco. It is excellent, really enjoying it.

                    Also enjoyed recently:

                    Umbrella by Will Self (pretty intense book you need to apply yourself to).

                    Memories of The Future by Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky

                    The Soft Machine and The Wild Boys by Burroughs

                    Faust - did you ever get round to HSJ's The Room?

                    I must admit, Malcolm Lowrys' Under The Volcano may be my favourite book. I just cannot think of another book I've engaged with so so deeply, not since Dostoevsky's Demons. Deleuze loved Under The Volcano.
                    Notes from the Vomitorium - The Nerve Of It -

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                    • MJRH
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 418

                      Originally posted by viv1984viv View Post
                      Memories of The Future by Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky
                      small world, this is on its way in the mail to me as we speak, it sounds like it's amazing. i've also added lowry and bolano to my shortlist, cheers for the recs all.
                      ain't no beauty queens in this locality

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                      • dontbecruel
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 494

                        Originally posted by Faust View Post
                        Why should I read Savage Detectives first?
                        More sex, less death!

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                        • Faust
                          kitsch killer
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 37849

                          Fair enough.

                          Viv, not yet, but it's on the list.

                          Reading Clockers and it's really good. The way Price captures the ghetto is quite something. It makes sense that he was the cowriter on The Wire.
                          Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

                          StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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                          • kamsky
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 120

                            Originally posted by Faust View Post
                            Why should I read Savage Detectives first?
                            You might also read "The Amulet" first. It's a novella, which sort of found its way to the Savage Detectives narrative, in a way. If for no other reason, would give you some idea of whether you want to invest the considerable time it will take to read either Savage Detectives or 2666.

                            Recently finished "La calle de Valverde" by Max Aub, an amazing novel about the social & intellectual milieux of pre-Republican Madrid. Not certain it's available in translation, but I highly recommend to anyone fluent in Spanish.

                            Just started "Thomas l'obscur" by Maurice Blanchot; first stab at a novel by him, have only read a small amount of his criticism.

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                            • k3mist
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 331

                              my 2nd read of this. still amazing

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                              • Geoffrey B. Small
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2007
                                • 618

                                Agreed K3mist. Now that is a primer on advanced technology for the 21st century. We used readings from it for our Paris showroom soundtrack last January and March for the AW13-14 men's and women's collections entitled "Earth. Land. Terra." I remember some very funny reactions from certain buyers as they were working through the racks and suddenly began to hear some of the texts being read....

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