A jacket by Carol Christian Poell! This has been the dream of my life ever since I was a child, and it's all happening because I'm completely ignoring every urge towards common sense and good judgement I've ever had. This is no longer just some crazy notion. This is my religion.
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I can't understand the whinging on the price.
The hand made, artistic and innovative should be rewarded, handsomely.
The fine artist at the top of the tree is richly compensated.
CCP is at the top of his field, his prices have risen steadily so who can deny him what he gets?
I just read an interview with Ed Ruscha where out of his first 2 shows at Ferus Gallery he sold only 1 work. Now those works are all in major museums and he is worth millions. I don't see anyone begrudging him his prices or success.
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Exactly. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. You're paying for concept, design & construction of both fabrics & the garmet as a whole. The crushable boots are 5k. I think that's more ridiculous. But someone bought a pair. The ballers buying Carol far surpass SZers. 8K is nothing to some.
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It all comes down to how you regard clothing. 5k for a necessity is obviously a lot, but if you consider it more as "art" or something collectible, then it has an entirely different value."AVANT GUARDE HIGHEST FASHION. NOW NOW this is it people, these are the brands no one fucking knows and people are like WTF. they do everything by hand in their freaking secret basement and shit."
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clothes as art...the last bastion of the desperate attempt to justify ridiculously overpriced clothing. poell's, em, clothes are not art, since they are clothes. he sells them to shops that sell clothes. he does not sell them to galleries; no one would buy them if he did since there's no market (on the whole) for "art" that takes the form of functional clothing.
anyway, perhaps more fundamentally, why is labelling something "art" an auto-justifier of price? can't art be over- or at least outlandishly-priced? the fact that someone shells out for it doesn't change that. fools and their money etc.,....
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I guess If you don't label it as "ART" it's too hard to sell these clothes at this price range. That's also the job what CCP's PR company is doing.
In short, CCP is telling a "story" nothing specially like other big brands: LV, Hermes and Chanel etc just in a very different niche market.
Clothes = Art? okay, fine. but please understand Art = Business (at least in 21st Century).
Having a 8K price tag coat is not a big deal at all as long as he won't setup flagship store in every city and produce lots of bags and accessories.
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I'm not outright defending the spending. Lord knows I'd never spend it. It's all based on context. Look at the price of diamond engagement rings. His fabrics are much more limited.
I pay for certain Carol pieces and find them worth every penny. I don't view them as art.
It's amusing to hear the argument from a league of people who find a $250 t-shirt normal.
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Originally posted by Peasant View PostI'm not outright defending the spending. Lord knows I'd never spend it. It's all based on context. Look at the price of diamond engagement rings. His fabrics are much more limited.
I pay for certain Carol pieces and find them worth every penny. I don't view them as art.
It's amusing to hear the argument from a league of people who find a $250 t-shirt normal.
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i think people need to remember there are different levels of balling. there's SZ balling, and then there's mega balling. for some people, 5k is like an after thought. they will earn more than 5k in the time it takes to reach into their wallet and pull out the amex. much of ccp's stuff goes to these people, especially the wackier stuff like the crumpled boots. they are for the mega baller ccp junky that has everything. and ccp can get this kind of $$ because his shit is truly that awesome. his little world is totally unique in fashion/clothing, etc and has a very convincing and powerful appeal.
also keep in mind many of the mega ballers of the world are also often involved in some sort of serious philanthropy, so its not fair to bring the moral attack against them for their shopping habits. unless they are of the russian gangster mega baller variety and then its best to just stay quiet about the whole thingLast edited by cjbreed; 02-21-2012, 05:27 PM.dying and coming back gives you considerable perspective
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Originally posted by shawn View PostI guess If you don't label it as "ART" it's too hard to sell these clothes at this price range. That's also the job what CCP's PR company is doing.
In short, CCP is telling a "story" nothing specially like other big brands: LV, Hermes and Chanel etc just in a very different niche market.
Clothes = Art? okay, fine. but please understand Art = Business (at least in 21st Century).
Having a 8K price tag coat is not a big deal at all as long as he won't setup flagship store in every city and produce lots of bags and accessories.
And his clothes are expensive? Sure. Compared to what? What was the last time you visited a women's section of a high-end department store or opened a women's editorial of Vogue or T-Magazine? Have you seen those prices?Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by DRRRKThere is something like romanticsing the design and fabrication process too much though. I don't say one has to live humble to excess, but be aware that a coat like this can feed quite a lot people for quite a long time (this awareness being far from whinging). The difference is, as Lowrey says, how you regard it. As a piece clothing and something to be used, it is crossing the line in my opinion, as art, being in an exhibition, private or public, it's not, especially not if it's unique.
As for how one regards clothing, I don't see an issue with viewing it both as something collectible (not art, zomg) as well as just clothing. At least thats how I view some of my clothing, I certainly value some piece as more than just a random garment, but I still wear them like I would anything else. Some items I might not even wear that often but I enjoy owning them. This is particularly the case with some of Poell's work.
Originally posted by Johnny View Postclothes as art...the last bastion of the desperate attempt to justify ridiculously overpriced clothing.
Originally posted by Johnny View Postanyway, perhaps more fundamentally, why is labelling something "art" an auto-justifier of price? can't art be over- or at least outlandishly-priced? the fact that someone shells out for it doesn't change that. fools and their money etc.,...."AVANT GUARDE HIGHEST FASHION. NOW NOW this is it people, these are the brands no one fucking knows and people are like WTF. they do everything by hand in their freaking secret basement and shit."
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Originally posted by cremaster View PostI can't understand the whinging on the price.
The hand made, artistic and innovative should be rewarded, handsomely.
The fine artist at the top of the tree is richly compensated.
CCP is at the top of his field, his prices have risen steadily so who can deny him what he gets?
I just read an interview with Ed Ruscha where out of his first 2 shows at Ferus Gallery he sold only 1 work. Now those works are all in major museums and he is worth millions. I don't see anyone begrudging him his prices or success.
i dont believe the whining is about the price, its more about indoctrination ; too many OMG CCP and not enough deliberate consideration...
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Originally posted by Peasant View PostExactly. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. You're paying for concept, design & construction of both fabrics & the garmet as a whole. The crushable boots are 5k. I think that's more ridiculous. But someone bought a pair. The ballers buying Carol far surpass SZers. 8K is nothing to some.
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