Carol Christian Poell

[awlouie]

I owned these gloves at one time. One of the zippers failed and needed replacement. CCP repaired them. I was told that these gloves were very complicated to make and therefore, will not be produced in the future.

[blackfedora]

whats that you say? can you offer any further info?

The teeth of the zippers for the gloves are directly attached/sewn to leather, not a nylon (typical material) edge which is what is used on his leather jackets, boots, etc. It's a small detail that is probably very difficult to produce and hence the cessation of titanium gloved production.

[cjbreed]

ahhh ok. thank you for the great info...

[Peasant]

This may be on here somewhere but I've never seen it. First iteration of the fencing produced way back in 98'. A true 1 of 1 where the veins of the animal were injected with dye before the hide was separated from the connective tissue. Obviously too complicated to make for practical sales purposes and he didn't revisit the design again until the late 2000's. In between were a few others (double zipper fail, etc). Further shows how many of his designs were conceptualized years, even a decade before being executed.

[guardimp]

Do you know any more about the vein dying process? Particularly on how he managed to push it through the veins without hitting capillaries or bleeding out more so. It looks fantastic!

[daou0782]

it's hardcore things like these what build the aura/myth of designer. hats off.

[k3mist]

i saw that jacket in a yahoo auction and found it really hard to believe it was dyed through the veins. it looks like coagulated blood due to improper bleeding. i hope I'm wrong though, vein dyeing sounds so much cooler

[upsilonkng]

come on.. this sounds like the usual Carol folklore.. he dyed the animals veins, from what color to what color? when do u see an animal's veins on a leather jacket and why would u want to? honestly it looks like that jacket got a real bad tattoo, it's like someone wore a bad emo band's shirt over that jacket until it bleed onto the jacket..
curious how much of the hardware on this jacket actually works..
here's something i'm more curious about, is there a new collection coming? so much hearsay here i wonder if anyone has any real info in regards to new creations.

[Peasant]

Everyone wants to see a new collection. There's nothing unique about that. Until then, I find old pieces more interesting than statements about how long it's taking.
Capillaries feed every tissue, including areas close to the surface. Not sure exactly what he did, but it's possible and the technique he used. Veins are tissue just like any other. Smooth muscle, really, with the ability to be dyed like anything else. It's not even the veins that I find interesting, it's that he took a swing at the fencing so long ago and it (this pattern) ended up being one of his most defining pieces. Did you ever see his sketch book from over a decade ago? It's full of designs that he's just now able to produce (took awhile for technology and skill to catch up).

For those interested; it's reversed calf in a natural, un-dyed yellow. The dye was pushed through the veins and they absorbed some of it. The difficult part would be not allowing the dye to travel outside the vessel, ultimately dying the nearby leather as well. The hardware works. There are anchors and finishings that he doesn't even use today, though I wish he did because seams are constantly a problem with CCP. It's ugly, but I find it interesting.

[Chinorlz]

That used to be my jacket (and I think at least some of my original photos haha). Absolutely fascinating piece to see and hold.

The hide was suede side out with the vascular system quite clearly visible and not something "printed" on given the complexity and variation across the panels of leather used etc.

You could tell that this piece was not quite "there" yet though in regards to his materials research, cut/fit etc. I had acquired it through Japan and further provenance remains a mystery. Most certainly have not seen another since then and it remains a curio in the CCP world.

Peasant, do you own this piece now?

[Peasant]

That makes sense, being reversed and all. No, A, not mine. Found a description of it online and thought others would be interested in it. Exactly my point about how his designs were far ahead of their time.
Crazy that you owned it. I don't believe there are any others.

[MikeN]

So Chinorlz can you speak of this "injecting ink into the veins" idea? I agree with the above posters that it sounds like folklore.

[Coming]

Vein and artery casts are frequently made by anatomists and researchers in human specimens

For instance

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3706915

Usually epoxy resins are used. You can buy the material yourself

http://www.polysciences.com/SiteData/docs/105/1ecebbad32a1c59d52b985f6c81a391e/105.pdf

Of course the hard part is getting access to the carcass before all the tissues are stripped away

[byhand]

It's macabre, but I suppose killing an animal for its meat and skin is already a committed move in the direction of the macabre, so why not take the exploitation to the extreme by using its vein structure as a design element.

[Wax]

You guys are talking so much bs haha (injecting veins with resin on a leather jacket - still laughing)

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-7091-7813-3_3#page-1

You can get this kind of leather at any tannery, usually it is seen as a flaw and not sold tho. Julius used it on a fencing as well.