I'm not really sure what you're talking about, bbs has had more mishaps than Rick in my purchases, because the quality control is higher due to production size. I've seen tons of imperfections or shit that would be considered unsellable by Japanese standards (if that matters for anyone) on bbs, the last pair of fw15 pants I bought has a fucked up part where the stitch on what is considered the belt portion has a stitch that has deviated from the pattern on it that they felt it was okay to sell. does it bother me? no not really but for someone who has ocd tendencies, they might be inclined to return the item.
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Construction quality and imperfections / misshaps that are part of the production process are separate things, no? Tag's got an entire essay about it on there.
I haven't compared full production runs but BBS has been more solidly and durably put together than Rick from similar time frames and price points, among my purchases. I'm not necessarily talking about small issues that are theoretically part of their "experimental" process.
I've definitely heard the pants can be bizarrely delicate for BBS -- don't own any myself.
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what I'm trying to say is that a company like Rick has less leeway as to what is considered sellable compared to bbs, but I think bbs will catch up in time, I'm told the operation is getting bigger seasonally and their standards have been changing which is obviously evident if youve handled old bbs and new bbs.Originally posted by unwashedTry to use a phone camera in broad daylight or use a proper camera.Originally posted by AhimsaI've found it extremely pleasant and enthralling over repeated whiffs so I would highly recommend.
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Indeed, they are!Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by TriggerDiscipline View Postwhat I'm trying to say is that a company like Rick has less leeway as to what is considered sellable compared to bbs, but I think bbs will catch up in time, I'm told the operation is getting bigger seasonally and their standards have been changing which is obviously evident if youve handled old bbs and new bbs.
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sorry I don't agree, if you have a seam and you're looking at the chart of operations and it calls for 10cm and it goes off by 1.5cm for the length of half the pant then it should be redone, that's not really excusable for me. this has nothing to do with experiments or artisanal work. especially when I have the same pant from a different season and its not as messed up as this pant.
the issue is that this went through the person responsible, the factory quality control, and the retailer meaning the standards are clearly looser than a global large scale operation that is Rick Owens
and philosophically I get what youre trying to say but bbs is far from a "deconstructed" "raw hems" etc kind of brand in 2015, he put models on the runway with jackets inside out with pride over construction techniquesOriginally posted by unwashedTry to use a phone camera in broad daylight or use a proper camera.Originally posted by AhimsaI've found it extremely pleasant and enthralling over repeated whiffs so I would highly recommend.
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Originally posted by TriggerDiscipline View Postsorry I don't agree, if you have a seam and you're looking at the chart of operations and it calls for 10cm and it goes off by 1.5cm for the length of half the pant then it should be redone, that's not really excusable for me. this has nothing to do with experiments or artisanal work. especially when I have the same pant from a different season and its not as messed up as this pant.
the issue is that this went through the person responsible, the factory quality control, and the retailer meaning the standards are clearly looser than a global large scale operation that is Rick Owens
and philosophically I get what youre trying to say but bbs is far from a "deconstructed" "raw hems" etc kind of brand in 2015, he put models on the runway with jackets inside out with pride over construction techniques
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clothes is made with a ton of handwork in it, you still need people to cut things by hand (and I'm not talking about the actual garments, just like things that need to be cut like the extra canvassing of a jacket and such) and set things by hand, and actually push the fabric to create garments. when you're paying premium dollar for something you expect the quality that comes with it. if we are going to talk margins, the cost of operations for bbs is higher due to the size of the company. in a basic sense the smaller the production/company the price has a higher percentage of having a higher price. there are brands who decide to begin to run their own fabric creation or production facilities because you're cutting out a middle man.
so with this being said in the case of bbs they are supposedly doing everything themselves (maybe they source fabric but the rest is done in their own location)
when the production is this close to home they should have more control over their product vs paying to have their garments made by an outside source where they might have to dish out serious cash to give the care they could give themselves. so for example at the end of production every garment gets a press/ iron that step could be skipped to cut costs and they could do it when it is recieved by the designer, etc.
it could be because that factory more to risk (reputation for example) they have tighter standards.
on the bbs tag it does say hand made but it doesn't say carefully hand made, although this is one example of out of all the bbs I've bought in the last two seasons, the rest hasn't had major problems besides straps on a vest bag.
I will say that all of the seams with piping and stuff is way better than alot of the pants I've bought in the past, and it is done rather well, just wished they had tighter standards when it comes to quality control.Originally posted by unwashedTry to use a phone camera in broad daylight or use a proper camera.Originally posted by AhimsaI've found it extremely pleasant and enthralling over repeated whiffs so I would highly recommend.
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'Artisanal' touches are one thing, but Trigger is talking about a larger deviation, one that would affect fit and not just cosmetics. That inconsistency was obviously not intentional so it should be seen as that, an error, instead of romantic and excusable evidence of human work.
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Originally posted by aussy View Post'Artisanal' touches are one thing, but Trigger is talking about a larger deviation, one that would affect fit and not just cosmetics. That inconsistency was obviously not intentional so it should be seen as that, an error, instead of romantic and excusable evidence of human work.Originally posted by unwashedTry to use a phone camera in broad daylight or use a proper camera.Originally posted by AhimsaI've found it extremely pleasant and enthralling over repeated whiffs so I would highly recommend.
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Originally posted by aussy View PostUhh, I didn't say anything that implied otherwise. My post was in response to Lex's and Puck's which to me read as dismissing your experience as one inherent to the nature of the garment rather than an issue with qc.Originally posted by unwashedTry to use a phone camera in broad daylight or use a proper camera.Originally posted by AhimsaI've found it extremely pleasant and enthralling over repeated whiffs so I would highly recommend.
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no, I wasn't trying to be combative lol, miscommunication in a post about miscommunication I was referring to their post, and asking aussy if my writing doesn't make senseOriginally posted by unwashedTry to use a phone camera in broad daylight or use a proper camera.Originally posted by AhimsaI've found it extremely pleasant and enthralling over repeated whiffs so I would highly recommend.
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Originally posted by aussy View Post'Artisanal' touches are one thing, but Trigger is talking about a larger deviation, one that would affect fit and not just cosmetics. That inconsistency was obviously not intentional so it should be seen as that, an error, instead of romantic and excusable evidence of human work.
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