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a celebrity from an earlier era ruined that style of pant for me - luckily there's a pattern available - so you can make some to see if you like them before buying:
a celebrity from an earlier era ruined that style of pant for me - luckily there's a pattern available - so you can make some to see if you like them before buying:
the shoes though, are too legit to quit.
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That pattern pic is great.
So, what do we think will happen if the rest of the fashionati discover
the allure of all things Rick Owens and decide it's trendy? Will we be
turned off by the co-opting of what was once an exclusive appreciative
few? Will we be pissed off that the pieces we wanted never make it to
sale? Will we look for another new brand that's "cooler?"
I ask you, are you attracted to Rick Owens because it is not trendy? Do you think that if it became trendy as you say, that you will stop buying? I know that there is a psychological attraction to obtain things that others don't have nor can have or know about having. But what about buying it because it fits your style, your being? Do you think the clothing would change to support the new allure? Or would Rick stay on his path? I can see if there was a change in style, fit, fabric, overall aesthetic that perhaps it would not satisfy those needs any longer and then one would move onwards. As far as looking for another brand that is cooler...hmmm. Who determines what is cool and why are they being followed? I believed in pursuing what I like regardless of who else likes it or how they wear it, who they know, who i dont know...By all means I would not like to see anyone become a sell out so to speak, especially a designer, and accommodate only the pull. I feel that way about all artistic creations. I would have to say if Rick Owens stayed true to his own being as a designer, then I would stay true to buying as long as it continued to satisfy what I needed. That could change even without the fashionati discovering the allure. No?
Distraction is an obstruction of the construction.
I ask you, are you attracted to Rick Owens because it is not trendy? Do you think that if it became trendy as you say, that you will stop buying? I know that there is a psychological attraction to obtain things that others don't have nor can have or know about having. But what about buying it because it fits your style, your being? Do you think the clothing would change to support the new allure? Or would Rick stay on his path? I can see if there was a change in style, fit, fabric, overall aesthetic that perhaps it would not satisfy those needs any longer and then one would move onwards. As far as looking for another brand that is cooler...hmmm. Who determines what is cool and why are they being followed? I believed in pursuing what I like regardless of who else likes it or how they wear it, who they know, who i dont know...By all means I would not like to see anyone become a sell out so to speak, especially a designer, and accommodate only the pull. I feel that way about all artistic creations. I would have to say if Rick Owens stayed true to his own being as a designer, then I would stay true to buying as long as it continued to satisfy what I needed. That could change even without the fashionati discovering the allure. No?
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Very well said kira and I agree with you. Trends and popularity comes in waves. They also pass. This is the nature of fashion. People follow trends. People also follow things that they feel a connection with. To me, Rick is consistent as a designer and as a person. IMHO for someone that feels a connection to his work, whether it is trendy, or popular, is irrelevant - and I suspect this is what bakla was really getting at.
But do I think there is a limit to being consistent. I like to think that as humans we are always continually improving ourselves and our understanding of ourselves. And because of this I would hope that our clothing can reflect this change, without limitations. I would like to be a part of that.
let us raise a toast to ancient cotton, rotten voile, gloomy silk, slick carf, decayed goat, inflamed ram, sooty nelton, stifling silk, lazy sheep, bone-dry broad & skinny baffalo.
well a chair made of only wood is undoubtedly a bit uncomfortable, I'd personally consider it as more like a piece of art than furniture. wood works fine for storage, tables etc., though.
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Sort of an interesting parallel to some of the wd50 food-as-art discussion. For some reason, I have an easier time resolving the food angle.
I don't "get" those pants. Too much of a gimmick in my opinion. As pervasive and acceptable as that general style of lower-torso-wear may be in various north African/Middle Eastern counties, it just looks too ridiculous on the streets of western countries. Jacobs looks like a d-bag with them (and also without them.... but that's another story altogether). They look like you have a very full diaper on.
[quote user="kira"]So, what do we think will happen if the rest of the fashionati discover
the allure of all things Rick Owens and decide it's trendy? Will we be
turned off by the co-opting of what was once an exclusive appreciative
few? Will we be pissed off that the pieces we wanted never make it to
sale? Will we look for another new brand that's "cooler?"
I ask you, are you attracted to Rick Owens because it is not trendy? Do you think that if it became trendy as you say, that you will stop buying? I know that there is a psychological attraction to obtain things that others don't have nor can have or know about having. But what about buying it because it fits your style, your being? Do you think the clothing would change to support the new allure? Or would Rick stay on his path? I can see if there was a change in style, fit, fabric, overall aesthetic that perhaps it would not satisfy those needs any longer and then one would move onwards. As far as looking for another brand that is cooler...hmmm. Who determines what is cool and why are they being followed? I believed in pursuing what I like regardless of who else likes it or how they wear it, who they know, who i dont know...By all means I would not like to see anyone become a sell out so to speak, especially a designer, and accommodate only the pull. I feel that way about all artistic creations. I would have to say if Rick Owens stayed true to his own being as a designer, then I would stay true to buying as long as it continued to satisfy what I needed. That could change even without the fashionati discovering the allure. No?
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I'm not one of those people who tout that they have style over fashion. I appreciate fashion, because I like change. The very same reason we may or may not like a designer's new collection (operative word, 'new') can very well be because it's not new enough. In that sense, I follow fashion, as it is all about change. But I do prefer brands that are innovative and unique, which is why I tend to like lesser known brands. I like the sense of discovery.
I'm attracted to Rick Owens because his perspective is fresh for me, and I do like the idea that it's not on everyone's body - I like innovation in design because it isnew and innovative. But I didn't love him from the get-go - it wasn't until I saw his Exploder collection for women that I really saw the direction in his vision, and I became attracted to his ouvre as a whole and wanted to buy into the brand as a result. Of course, I'm not jumping on brands for the brands sake - there has to be something about the design that's appealing, regardless of what anyone else says. It has to speak to me personally.
However, brands do lose their luster among various social sets (otherwise we wouldn't have this thread) but one way for me is when it's available on every corner,when a brand gets to a point of over exposure, my interest in it wanes. For examle: Hedi's Dior work continued to be beautiful, and I loved certain pieces but I could not disassociate the brand from the rabid following that he had, nor the oversaturation in the press, and all that became a part of the brand's image in my mind. So my once-intense love for the designer and the brand (which started in his YSL days) became a mere interest in a piece or two from time to time. In more recent seasons, I've loved Julius' draping for the past two years because it was so different, and no one else I knew was doing that, but now the look is being co-opted everywhere and by everyone from the new Helmut Lang to B.Son and I'm less keen on it. Going back further, Gaultier was amazing in the 80s, and his work has not lost any of the quality it seems, but it seems the fashion moment has moved on from him, for me. I find a piece or two of his that I like, but the rest of it doesn't strike that chord of fresh innovation anymore for me. But that's okay, because change is good - I love change in any case. For me my style is about adopting fashion for the pleasure of change. How I wear - and change -my style constantly, is my style.
I don't know if that answers your question. I'm not sure it will even be an opinion people can identify with, but that's why I asked the Rick OWens question in the first place.
I agree Albert. I'm all for the drop crotch look but I like it more subtle...Those pants Mr. Jacobs has on, the crotch damn near goes to his ankles.
Oh and for the discussion above; There's been plenty of celebs wearing RO for quite some time, I just think for some reason, the 'goth' or all black look is in and so RO is getting a bit more attention. Like stated, it will die off and 'trendy' people will move on. Me however, I'll keep buying RO.
"because the young are whores. dealers come to carol to get the rock"
If there is any hype from MJ it will be the sneakers from the gay boi fashionistas. But, even then it is pretty hard for most of them to stomach over $1,000 on shoes. At this point I would say that Rick Owens, while it might fly under the radar is still no big secret. I mean, Barneys carries it.
Look at Lanvin, advertisting, more known and what not; but, you just see the hype around the $550 sneakers and the guys in those aren't wearing the $2600 double breasted jackets.
If there is any hype from MJ it will be the sneakers from the gay boi fashionistas. But, even then it is pretty hard for most of them to stomach over $1,000 on shoes. At this point I would say that Rick Owens, while it might fly under the radar is still no big secret. I mean, Barneys carries it.
Look at Lanvin, advertisting, more known and what not; but, you just see the hype around the $550 sneakers and the guys in those aren't wearing the $2600 double breasted jackets.
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Maybe this is why Rick made the sneakers cost so much!!
"because the young are whores. dealers come to carol to get the rock"
[quote user="bakla"][quote user="kira"]So, what do we think will happen if the rest of the fashionati discover
the allure of all things Rick Owens and decide it's trendy? Will we be
turned off by the co-opting of what was once an exclusive appreciative
few? Will we be pissed off that the pieces we wanted never make it to
sale? Will we look for another new brand that's "cooler?"
I ask you, are you attracted to Rick Owens because it is not trendy? Do you think that if it became trendy as you say, that you will stop buying? I know that there is a psychological attraction to obtain things that others don't have nor can have or know about having. But what about buying it because it fits your style, your being? Do you think the clothing would change to support the new allure? Or would Rick stay on his path? I can see if there was a change in style, fit, fabric, overall aesthetic that perhaps it would not satisfy those needs any longer and then one would move onwards. As far as looking for another brand that is cooler...hmmm. Who determines what is cool and why are they being followed? I believed in pursuing what I like regardless of who else likes it or how they wear it, who they know, who i dont know...By all means I would not like to see anyone become a sell out so to speak, especially a designer, and accommodate only the pull. I feel that way about all artistic creations. I would have to say if Rick Owens stayed true to his own being as a designer, then I would stay true to buying as long as it continued to satisfy what I needed. That could change even without the fashionati discovering the allure. No?
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I'm not one of those people who tout that they have style over fashion. I appreciate fashion, because I like change. The very same reason we may or may not like a designer's new collection (operative word, 'new') can very well be because it's not new enough. In that sense, I follow fashion, as it is all about change. But I do prefer brands that are innovative and unique, which is why I tend to like lesser known brands. I like the sense of discovery.
I'm attracted to Rick Owens because his perspective is fresh for me, and I do like the idea that it's not on everyone's body - I like innovation in design because it isnew and innovative. But I didn't love him from the get-go - it wasn't until I saw his Exploder collection for women that I really saw the direction in his vision, and I became attracted to his ouvre as a whole and wanted to buy into the brand as a result. Of course, I'm not jumping on brands for the brands sake - there has to be something about the design that's appealing, regardless of what anyone else says. It has to speak to me personally.
However, brands do lose their luster among various social sets (otherwise we wouldn't have this thread) but one way for me is when it's available on every corner,when a brand gets to a point of over exposure, my interest in it wanes. For examle: Hedi's Dior work continued to be beautiful, and I loved certain pieces but I could not disassociate the brand from the rabid following that he had, nor the oversaturation in the press, and all that became a part of the brand's image in my mind. So my once-intense love for the designer and the brand (which started in his YSL days) became a mere interest in a piece or two from time to time. In more recent seasons, I've loved Julius' draping for the past two years because it was so different, and no one else I knew was doing that, but now the look is being co-opted everywhere and by everyone from the new Helmut Lang to B.Son and I'm less keen on it. Going back further, Gaultier was amazing in the 80s, and his work has not lost any of the quality it seems, but it seems the fashion moment has moved on from him, for me. I find a piece or two of his that I like, but the rest of it doesn't strike that chord of fresh innovation anymore for me. But that's okay, because change is good - I love change in any case. For me my style is about adopting fashion for the pleasure of change. How I wear - and change -my style constantly, is my style.
I don't know if that answers your question. I'm not sure it will even be an opinion people can identify with, but that's why I asked the Rick OWens question in the first place.
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buy the RO sneakers right now. enough of this pointless thought
One wonders where it will end, when everything has become gay.
Let's face it, Rick Owens is on top right now, and those shoes Marc Jacobs is wearing are THE shoes of the season. That's all there is to it. No amount of rationalizing or sophistry will negate this cold hard fact.
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