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Originally posted by Lohikaarme View PostIf he does, that's still totally different than making the shoe itself.
At the very least dipping them is an essential part of the process surely ?
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Yes, "totally different" is correct.
Dipping the shoe is the artisanal step used to make the shoe something extraterrestrial. However, creating the shoe is a craft which requires a very specific ability and a very specific set of tools/equipment.
PS: CCP's workshop is relatively small compared to that of other artisanal brands. The fact that magic happens within it's walls is still a somewhat of a legendary miracle. (Dead-end tailoring, taped seams, etc.)
Fixed: I was at a show, sorry for being redundant.Last edited by julian_doe; 05-28-2018, 12:23 AM.
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Originally posted by julian_doe View PostYes, "totally different" is correct.
Dipping the shoe is the artisanal step used to make the shoe something extraterrestrial. However, creating the shoe is a craft which requires a very specific craft and a very specific set of tools/equipment.
PS: CCP's workshop is relatively small compared to that of other artisanal brands. The fact that magic happens within it's walls is still a somewhat of a legendary miracle. (Dead-end tailoring, taped seams, etc.)
It would seem that making the frame and stretching a canvas on it is way more important than any paint that gets daubed on it ?
I guess the paint applied at the end would be the "artisanal step used to make the (painting) something extraterrestrial."
An interesting way of looking at things but not one that I can subscribe to.
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Originally posted by STEALTH View PostIf your logic is then applied to a painting :
It would seem that making the frame and stretching a canvas on it is way more important than any paint that gets daubed on it ?
I guess the paint applied at the end would be the "artisanal step used to make the (painting) something extraterrestrial."
An interesting way of looking at things but not one that I can subscribe to.
Read.
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Originally posted by julian_doe View PostI never said that one part of the process is more important than the other. In fact, i am highlighting why both deserve appreciation, and attempting to explain why both happen at different locations.
Read.
You later then contradicted yourself by saying that they are both parts of the same process, which is correct.
Think.
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Originally posted by julian_doe View PostCan you explain how making the shoe and dipping the shoe are not different? I am incredibly curious...
Same process ( creating a drip sneaker )
Both as important and equivalent to the finished article as each other
Thus not "totally different"
Curiosity is a wonderful thing
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Precisely because it is a different process, which requires different equipment and skill, is why the shoes are not made at the atelier.
But how much could someone asking the questions you ask actually know :)
Edit: By the way, you are the model for IROFUSI (or whatever the name), Devoa, and others. Correct?
Having been around for so long (SO long), hasn't it appeared obvious to you that a small atelier like Poell's has the shoes manufactured through outsourcing?Last edited by julian_doe; 05-28-2018, 12:53 AM.
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Originally posted by julian_doe View Post... a small atelier like Poell's has the shoes manufactured through outsourcing?
Originally posted by Monoral View PostWhere does Boris source his leather from? has he changed in recent years? cos the past 2 seasons has been amazing.
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Originally posted by grendelshrieks View Postas of a/w 2017 lot of it (but not all) was coming from conceria maryam, but if you say the last year's been of "amazing quality," they must have changed to somewhere else, lol ...
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Originally posted by grendelshrieks View Posti'm not sure if the word "outsourcing" is really appropriate to use in the case of italian ateliers that work directly with italian shoemakers, especially those in historic shoemaking regions like fermo and macerata. i think it would be a little like saying that dior haute couture "outsources" pleating because they contract with maison gérard lognon. to describe it thusly requires such a fundamental misunderstanding of the paradigm of italian (or french) artisanal production as a whole. it has nothing to do with the size of an atelier either. it's not uncommon to see the same formificio making lasts for prada AND some of the smallest and most exclusive shoemaking brands this board follows (cherevichkiotvichki for example.) it's very much about the culture and traditions of italy as a whole, and the value thereof.
as of a/w 2017 lot of it (but not all) was coming from conceria maryam, but if you say the last year's been of "amazing quality," they must have changed to somewhere else, lol ...
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For the third time, I fully understand that the construction of shoes does not happen at Poell's atelier for obvious reasons (space, equipment, necessary personnel to make shoes, etc.). And, as Faust mentioned a few comments ago, this is a common practice among artisanal brands. I don't see anything wrong with this at all.
I will rephrase and state that although Poell may dip his shoes in-house, the shoes he designs are constructed at an alternative location which the brands contracts for the task.
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