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Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Originally posted by endorphinz View Post^i like this
you're not that old if you don't remember spinning vinyl in record stores to preview an album
the following is just my opinion. not looking to engage and participate in a venomous back and forth.... agree or disagree, it's all good
I always chuckle when I read comments about the "new" stratospheric pricing.
A reality check would prove that prices of sz approved stuff (I KNOW) have always resided in outer space.
I kinda agree with the adage
"if you have to ask how much,you can't afford it"; herein lies the problem.
MANY people buying this stuff have no real business buying it. They are luxury goods meant to be purchased by a specific demographic,a very small demographic for whom $$$$ really doesn't matter. These people don't treat clothes as a commodity. They don't resell them to fuel new purchases. They don't need to. They can actually afford them. The new purchases too.
Kanye may be an asshole but I know he's not worried about 20% price increases. Same with Orlando Bloom & Jude Law etc.
So,when ragging on these celebs maybe one should ask who are the real poseurs are.
Not sayin that it's always wrong to buy stuff you can't afford;just sayin you always need to realize what playground you are playing in.
Sometimes it's prudent just to take your ball and go home.
*edit* I should add that most days I choose to vacate the playground.Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Originally posted by endorphinz View PostNot sayin that it's always wrong to buy stuff you can't afford;just sayin you always need to realize what playground you are playingOriginally posted by endorphinz View Posteveryone finances are their own business:I never judge. my point was that one needs to realize what they are purchasing and just go with the flow.... or not.
I'm sure many women save for years to buy 1 birkin bag but I'm also pretty sure the women who have a collection of them are the main supporters of Hermes.
tho Hermes is glad to have both as customers
as for for looking @ pricing,many of (to use your term) mega rich never even see a price tag,or their related credit card bills
and,a 5k leather jacket might as well be a G35 to most people
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Originally posted by endorphinz View Post^
no. not only the mega rich are justified in purchasing high fashion. HOWEVER,non mega rich persons need to realize that they are awimming in mega rich waters and not whine about pricing.
I'm sure many women save for years to buy 1 birkin bag but I'm also pretty sure the women who have a collection of them are the main supporters of Hermes.
tho Hermes is glad to have both as customers
as for for looking @ pricing,many of (to use your term) mega rich never even see a price tag,or their related credit card bills
and,a 5k leather jacket might as well be a G35 to most peopleSelling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Fuuma, you don't know who you arguing with. Run while you can.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by endorphinz View PostSubstitute a ccp leather for the birkin... I believe that more closely fits into the discussion
and Faust, you do realize that YOU instigate the majority of the shit you claim to loathe.... right?
Here is how it goes:
1) Megarich G35 crew don't account for luxury sales, middle to upper middle class people do.
2) Some specific goods are still so pricey and produced in small numbers (so traditional luxury) that they are specifically aimed that said megarich crew.
3) Kanye does not account for most Givenchy tee sales, his much poorer fans do.
4) People who buy luxury goods look at pricing, very few exceptions aside. Same for business class tickets, which are usually sold to businesses, administrations or through membership upgrades and not to upper-middle to upper class market. CAUSE THEY LOOK AT THE FUCKING PRICE TO QUALITY AND STAY IN COACH.Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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I must've got lost somewhere in this thread...mentions were made of ccp, ma+ & ph and yet,when I bring up ccp it's not relevant.
You brought the g35 into the discussion... wasn't even on my radar (pun intended)
"normal" people might buy the majority of Givenchy ts but the ts aren't the majority of Givenchy's business
again,I'm sure Givenchy welcomes the sales of ts
I'm sure some people look @ prices when buying luxury goods and I'm sure many don't.
I'm sure that many of those that do look @ them do so to know how good to feel about themselves,not because they need to
not sure but I believe that most business class tickets are bought by specific departments of corps whose job it is to look @ prices.... not the actual passenger.
Fuuma, it's cool that we disagree. it really isn't a problem.
however the "here is how it goes" attitude is not so cool.
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Of course none of this actually applies to very rich as they will always have the cash to spend on relatively "cheap" luxuries like clothes... But in general, people are MUCH more concerned with value for the money these days.
People are still buying luxury goods, just not at the same pace and with a lot more research and thought than they did pre-2008. In many markets, there has been no real recovery from the economic downturn...
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Originally posted by endorphinz View PostSubstitute a ccp leather for the birkin... I believe that more closely fits into the discussion
and Faust, you do realize that YOU instigate the majority of the shit you claim to loathe.... right?Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by Faust View PostWrong. I just have trouble with idiocy.
Originally posted by Faust View PostThe stupidly lies in reason/pricing struggle and a very distinct possibility of reason losing out. I know what Oscar Wilde would do, yes, but look how he ended up!Originally posted by endorphinz View Postno. not only the mega rich are justified in purchasing high fashion. HOWEVER,non mega rich persons need to realize that they are swimming in mega rich waters and not whine about pricing.
I can see why you post with ruffled feathers.
bottom line
luxury shit is expensive. EVERYONE knows it. Therefore when buying,or even considering buying, stfu and buy.... or move on.
got nuthin else to offer on this subject /
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Originally posted by endorphinz View Post
bottom line
luxury shit is expensive. EVERYONE knows it. Therefore when buying,or even considering buying, stfu and buy.... or move on.
got nuthin else to offer on this subject /
To think that people with more purchasing power are either ignorant or insensitive to the relation between price and value seems a bit, shall I say, wrong? Value, as has been asserted time and time again on this forum, is decided by the buyer. While the minimum ratio that must be met to qualify a purchase might shift as one moves up or down the socioeconomic scale, to think that people with greater wealth simply stop caring about price is ridiculous. It's not like there's one mysterious upper class that exists for whom money is no object and then everybody else. Certainly people like that exist, but there is an entire spectrum of people outside of that small class. And those people are just as entitled to enjoy luxury goods, provided they can afford it.
And I would HOPE that most people, at least here, are not buying CCP or m.a+ to "play ball" as you say. I think some more thought goes into it than mindlessly chasing designers. I will continue to toil under the illusion that there is more to this niche, and maybe even fashion at large, than playing dress-up to feel rich.
And who is to decide whether or not they can afford it? Nobody but themselves, really. And it is to the designers and retailers and everybody inbetween to price according to their perceived audience. And I can guarantee you they put more thought into it than "anybody who's buying this doesn't give a shit how I price this."
All that said, I don't pretend to have a solid grasp of economics or the state of the current fashion market at large.
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Originally posted by axtang View Poststating that pricing above a certain point is beyond question or discussion is a truly strange position to take.
To think that people with more purchasing power are either ignorant or insensitive to the relation between price and value seems a bit, shall I say, wrong? Value, as has been asserted time and time again on this forum, is decided by the buyer. While the minimum ratio that must be met to qualify a purchase might shift as one moves up or down the socioeconomic scale, to think that people with greater wealth simply stop caring about price is ridiculous. It's not like there's one mysterious upper class that exists for whom money is no object and then everybody else. Certainly people like that exist, but there is an entire spectrum of people outside of that small class. And those people are just as entitled to enjoy luxury goods, provided they can afford it.
And I would HOPE that most people, at least here, are not buying CCP or m.a+ to "play ball" as you say. I think some more thought goes into it than mindlessly chasing designers. I will continue to toil under the illusion that there is more to this niche, and maybe even fashion at large, than playing dress-up to feel rich.
And who is to decide whether or not they can afford it? Nobody but themselves, really. And it is to the designers and retailers and everybody inbetween to price according to their perceived audience. And I can guarantee you they put more thought into it than "anybody who's buying this doesn't give a shit how I price this."
All that said, I don't pretend to have a solid grasp of economics or the state of the current fashion market at large.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
StyleZeitgeist Magazine
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Originally posted by Faust View PostThank you
Originally posted by Pumpfish View PostOn the supply restriction argument, how do you explain CCP, who has in effect unlimited supply, as he will remake almost anything to order, yet he still maintains the highest prices in the niche?
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I agree, pricing is key even for high end SZ type brands, and personal circumstances play a huge role. I started buying these clothes while still in college and the only thing I could realistically afford were used or heavily discounted pieces, not to mention that retail prices were lower back then for some of my now favorite designers. Of course, this would not have happened without a strong curiosity and strong connection to the esthetic. Those few initial purchases were enough to get started and in a few years, as I got a more complete wardrobe and a real salary (that is far from upper class), buying a full priced leather jacket did not seem completely unreasonable or unattainable anymore, particularly for a piece I had done a lot of research on. On the other hand, I remember walking in to Atelier circa 2013 when nothing was on sale and simply left feeling priced out, no matter how strong my interest was in some of those pieces.
Originally posted by axtang View Poststating that pricing above a certain point is beyond question or discussion is a truly strange position to take.
To think that people with more purchasing power are either ignorant or insensitive to the relation between price and value seems a bit, shall I say, wrong? Value, as has been asserted time and time again on this forum, is decided by the buyer. While the minimum ratio that must be met to qualify a purchase might shift as one moves up or down the socioeconomic scale, to think that people with greater wealth simply stop caring about price is ridiculous. It's not like there's one mysterious upper class that exists for whom money is no object and then everybody else. Certainly people like that exist, but there is an entire spectrum of people outside of that small class. And those people are just as entitled to enjoy luxury goods, provided they can afford it.
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