i always thought i was alone in thinking that... actually i had a somewhat similar discussion with fuuma just this week.
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Originally posted by laika View PostNot at all. Maybe what this reveals is that it was always crap in the first place.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by Faust View Postyou rebel, you!
wire and mass, no problem...someone has got to keep standards up around here dammit......I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.
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So, what is it about Dali that you guys don't like?Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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For me the hype, i remember some old interviews showed here in Mexico, on open tv, where everyone was talking about how great "the master" is, and how talented, and Dali was dancing, painting, making a clown of himself to entertain the masses, after that everyone even dogs, were wearing Dali's t-shirts, calendars everywhere, all the pseudo intellectuals were talking about the genius bla bla bla
It's like when Miro was doing random drawings on napkins and immediately selling them for thousands to the legions of worshipers
Originally posted by Faust View PostSo, what is it about Dali that you guys don't like?
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I agree and that's the exact sentiment I expressed earlier, so let me rephrase the question. What is it about Dali's work that you guys don't like?Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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^ For starters, he was a lousy painter. (That being said, I don't believe that one needs to be a good painter to make good art, or even good paintings. But most of Dali's paintings were lousy.)
Glancing over the last page...Faust, I know you've already conceded that your personal definition of kitsch might differ from the norm, but I think for the purposes of discussion it's worth mentioning that traditionally, kitch is not defined as "high" culture degraded, but rather as "low" culture elevated.
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Originally posted by Faust View PostI agree and that's the exact sentiment I expressed earlier, so let me rephrase the question. What is it about Dali's work that you guys don't like?
as for his work, I'm definitely a fan. He created these fantastical scenes with little things here and there for the viewer to find every time they look at the pieces.... reminicent (although in this sense pales in comparison to) of Bosch. Fans of one artist would likely be a fan of the other IMO.www.AlbertHuangMD.com - Digital Portfolio Of Projects & Designs
Merz (5/22/09):"i'm a firm believer that the ultimate prevailing logic in design is 'does shit look sick as fuck' "
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Originally posted by droogist View Post^ For starters, he was a lousy painter. (That being said, I don't believe that one needs to be a good painter to make good art, or even good paintings. But most of Dali's paintings were lousy.)
Glancing over the last page...Faust, I know you've already conceded that your personal definition of kitsch might differ from the norm, but I think for the purposes of discussion it's worth mentioning that traditionally, kitch is not defined as "high" culture degraded, but rather as "low" culture elevated.Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Originally posted by Chinorlz View PostI think that definitely is the more appropriate and more well placed question Faust. I'd be surprised to hear some naysayers of his work whereas many could shake their heads at his behavior and practices... one of the shadiest I think was him accepting payment in exchange for signing blank litho paper so the dealer could print whatever they'd want on it.. and thus the (relatively) cheap masses of Dali's prints of Dante's inferno that show up on ebay that are indeed signed by him.
as for his work, I'm definitely a fan. He created these fantastical scenes with little things here and there for the viewer to find every time they look at the pieces.... reminicent (although in this sense pales in comparison to) of Bosch. Fans of one artist would likely be a fan of the other IMO.
I don't see much Bosch in Dali aside from a taste for the grotesque, however Chirico with his dream logic and reflection on temporality is a good example of an artist that shared some of his sensibilities.Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Originally posted by Fuuma View PostIt doesn't even have to be elevated but if it is (say an "artist" does it) then it becomes an ironic and self-reflexive work of modern art challenging the diktat of traditional (read academic) art and expressing the zeitgeist of our time that is current pop culture.
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hm.. i had to do research a bit on the internet..but now it seems kinda clear at least that makes most sense to me especially in the historical context the word was created, that kitsch is derived from "verkitschen" which is jidish for foisting sth. upon so
now the english semantics do indeed differ from the orginal german word, however i, being from munich where the word was (being) born, would define kitsch as everything with an explicitly exaggerrated sentimental aspect, lacking an artistic approach or detoriating/oversimplifying an original artistic concept with an affinity to colorful gaiety
So taking "kitsch" as a trivial approach on art, Dali would indeed be kitsch, at least for me.
to me dali always was the artist, but never produced art. There seems to lack the "inbetween" between visuals and concept. Hard to put that...hm..
And it might be argueable that our more and more computer-rendered reality in movies/movies/newspapers/pc-games/interet,,,well call it media... numbs us to Dali's workAnd through their parting lids there came and went
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Originally posted by Fuuma View PostIt doesn't even have to be elevated but if it is (say an "artist" does it) then it becomes an ironic and self-reflexive work of postmodern art challenging the diktat of traditional (read academic) art and expressing the zeitgeist of our time that is current pop culture.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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