WTF

[JetLag]

i don't mean to be an ass, but we can't know that it's totally unexceptional without examining the garment in person. right?

Since I obviously examined this piece in person - fabric and cut - I can confirm that it's not "inspired by", not an interpretation, it's a real workwear. The tag only makes a difference. Nothing more.
Agree with Beardown then.

[BSR]

at the end of the day these thing are of marginal interest to myself (and the vast majority of this forum) as consumers.

this.
dare i say, not only as consumers? i can see the talent of McQueen and the likes, but from a strictly theoretical / critical point of view, fashion as a culture does not interest me at all (the shows, their universe, narratives... bore me to no end). I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here who can't see himself neither as a consumerist ('i want ccp cause it's hot stuff, so expensive, so exclusive... and it will make me feel so strong') nor as a fashion fan.

[michael_kard]

I find this discussion most interesting, and especially the point raised about a certain distinction between the affectual/embodied aspect of wearing clothes vs. the semiotic and textual narrative they may communicate. I have nothing to add, other than that if anyone is interested in reading further on this topic this book is actually quite interesting and forms a solid theoretical framework for understanding dress like an embodied practice.

[KingJulien]

this.
dare i say, not only as consumers? i can see the talent of McQueen and the likes, but from a strictly theoretical / critical point of view, fashion as a culture does not interest me at all (the shows, their universe, narratives... bore me to no end). I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here who can't see himself neither as a consumerist ('i want ccp cause it's hot stuff, so expensive, so exclusive... and it will make me feel so strong') nor as a fashion fan.

Yeah, I was just trying to point out that saying "Harnden is as talented/better than McQueen etc" is pretty dumb and not even really a fair comparison, since McQueen was of the highest caliber couture designers while Harnden is not trying to perform in the same arena at all, as far as I know. I think Faust's point may have been different, I'll let him speak for himself if he wants to.

I actually do have an interest in the broader picture, though, but Harnden / CCP etc also fall into that category of clothing that I find interesting but can't (or in this case more like don't want to) purchase. I don't really see a problem with both types of people existing on the same forum.

Tangentially, if you actually want to know more about the type of people that wear that, this is a really good article (I think it requires a subscription though) - http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...26fa_fact_mead

[BSR]

sorry but when i read that i don't want to know more:

For the past five years, Guinness has been involved with Bernard-Henri Lévy, the French philosopher and timber heir.

thanks mk, the book seems pretty intersting indeed!

[JetLag]

i want ccp cause it's hot stuff, so expensive, so exclusive... and it will make me feel so strong'.

CCP clothes make me feel stronger actualy, and sexually performing too.

[BSR]

CCP clothes make me feel stronger actualy, and sexually performing too.

i'm glad you finally found a solution to your disease, mate

[JetLag]

I can't believe I'm the only one to feel this...

[christianef]

Ugh, so I got burned by the Cody/egocomplex Silent buy. I trusted everything was legit as I had a very smooth transaction ordering a shirt last season I couldn't find anywhere else so I placed a pre-order for silent SS 2012. A few months after putting down a deposit for the pre-order I ask when can I expect it and get a reply that the Silent buy fell through and my deposit will be refunded. Almost 2 months and several nice requests later and I have yet to see my deposit. I didn't want to publicly complain until I gave ample time for things to be resolved privately but this is ridiculous.

a good scammer prays on the pipedream imaginary fantasy you will actually get your item/refund/things may be resolved - i dont want to fill u with more false hope but i ordered a shirt from cody once, it took for ever, inquired a few times, hed promptly reply but was clearly talking out of his ass, figured i got burnt and then it randomly showed up like 2 months later. annoying but good thing about this dude is he can eventually come through u just feel like an idiot in the mean time.

[cjbreed]

^so...that whole lost&found thing is a bullshit? a "maybe" coupled with an undetermined period of anxiety? i'll pass

[Fuuma]

sorry but when i read that i don't want to know more:



thanks mk, the book seems pretty intersting indeed!

Quoi, tu ignores tout de la promenade romantique dans les rues de Paris du grand homme et de l'héritière glamour!!?? Tu devrais te tenir au courant des faits d'armes de l'héritier de Sartre.

[BSR]

holy shit, BHL = trollface

[t-bone]

A little late but I think this needs to be posted:

[Faust]

holy shit, BHL = trollface

I bet Daphne feels all smart and shit.

[Faust]

I was referring to the 'market' in relation to this forum. Why would i bother about mcqueen and chalayan? Their work is great but their clothes on the shop floor have little appeal to me. especially the latter's.

I dont think paul is a 'fashion' designer. He just makes clothes the way he likes them - 'old-world' workwear- either your cup of tea or not- i dont think he is interested in making ball gowns for spray tanned princesses. Who the hell is chalayan's customer anyway? He certainly doesnt rely on his sales.

If hardnen is a 1 trick pony for his references, then im afraid most designers are the same. You have to champion galliano or marc jacobs for jumping from apples to oranges every season. Id like to think of hardnen like rick - he sticks to his guns. Does what he does when he feels like it - and he does a bloody good job of it too (in his own distinct way).

I dont see any other designer discussed here where people can resell the clothes for the same price they paid for(or sometimes more) after months of wear.

There arent many designers with as much integrity either, so id like to know what prompted you to say so.

err, before we go any further in the hyperbole direction, (provided there is anywhere to go beyond your lovely 'red hot chilli peppers vs mozart' analogy) i'd like to make a small observation.

this forum has always served primarily as a venue for discussion of personal aesthetics. this is somewhat different from and not limited to 'fashion' in the four-letter-word sense. however much respect i may have for mcqueen, chalayan and their body of work, at the end of the day these thing are of marginal interest to myself (and the vast majority of this forum) as consumers. the direct relationship possible for most of us to have with their work can only be negligible, leaving those not in the field of fashion journalism relatively little reason to go there.

though i'm not exactly what you might call a harnden cheerleader, i generally come here to discuss things i have some interest in or connection with, and most of my contributions have been limited to the scope of such matters. the relationship to be had with clothes differs from other objects of aesthetic value in that clothing is to be worn and to be affected by. forced discussion of something one lacks any such intimate connection with seems a bit pointless. in the case of 'high fashion', something practically inextricable from a context of, paraphrasing sissy, ballgowns for spray-tanned princesses, it seems rather masturbatory.

do i really give a fuck about elaborate spectacles?

Oh yeah, what was I thinking. Let's go back to discussin Guidi style numbers and drooling over poell's seams!