Squat i really don't want to get into a big discussion, im really too busy to get into that just now. But i will try and make a fair response this time.
You cannot argue that Carol Christian Poell is a brand like any other wether it be coca cola or nike.
The fact you say you buy the items for what they represent individually is totally flawed: they carry the tag of the brand of CCP, they carry the patented stitching, the very individual leather polishing and finishing that is unique to the CCP brand among so many other little details that make it obviously a product of the CCP brand. It may not communicate to the everyday person down the street, they most likely do not know CCP. But at the same time what is the difference between the snap on the CCP zipper pull and and the braided leather of Bottega Venetta, or the tassels on a Balenciaga handbag.
All these details are present in the good and clothing is an expressive communicative tool, you buy them not only for a functional aspect; which is nearly always secondary in high fashion, but to represent who you are as a person to either make you belong to a group or to differentiate yourself from others.
All of the above falls into brand image and brand identity. Wether you like it or not you buy CCP not as an object simply to hang in your closet and appreciate to yourself. You wear the clothes outside and to communicate something about yourself to others, wether they know it or not. Even more so they may impress others around you who may gain knowledge of the brand through yourself, or impress people who already know the brand of CCP.
Boris is young, so is Bossert what is the differnce age shouldn't come into it.
Iv worked and studied design people are inspired by things that existed before them. Fucking Carol did not invent a fencing jacket, he didn't invent a parachute vest, he didn't invent rice bag stitching.
What he did was find things he like and recontextualized them by sticking his own name on, he might alter on change the proportions of garments/objects: make them in leather instead of cotton etc etc... but he puts his brand name on the object it comes totally different.
His jewelry line is often made up one 1:1 copies, he takes teeth and makes them earrings, he took the pantograph and made it into the proportions of a ring, is this creative yes... but would the original creator say he 'ripped him off' possibly so if they were still alive.
But there is markets which are already saturated and bossart is most likely aiming his product (which is open to anyone) but likely he sells to peole like you who already own CCP. Would you buy his product if you knew nothing of CCP unlikely ... chainstiching, overlock and taping are all very much the characteristics of CCP. The fact he uses these references seem to be more of marketing tool than explanation, anyone can call a stitch anything really.
He does blatent rip off, no different to Boris... in my own opinion boris make rip off from many people but finally he is starting to come into his own,,, many painters study the great masters first to help them create their own technique.
Im not saying creativity doesn't exist in fashion, im saying its normal for people to copy in fashion, its pretty much impossible not to. Im saying i wouldn't buy bossfarts stuff because it lacks effort. I think you are in denial if you think you buy products simply because of technical craftsmanship, we buy fashion, CCP is fashion wether he does one collection a decade it still is fashion, there is nothing wrong with fashion, its part of the world we live in accept it rather than think your above it.
You cannot argue that Carol Christian Poell is a brand like any other wether it be coca cola or nike.
The fact you say you buy the items for what they represent individually is totally flawed: they carry the tag of the brand of CCP, they carry the patented stitching, the very individual leather polishing and finishing that is unique to the CCP brand among so many other little details that make it obviously a product of the CCP brand. It may not communicate to the everyday person down the street, they most likely do not know CCP. But at the same time what is the difference between the snap on the CCP zipper pull and and the braided leather of Bottega Venetta, or the tassels on a Balenciaga handbag.
All these details are present in the good and clothing is an expressive communicative tool, you buy them not only for a functional aspect; which is nearly always secondary in high fashion, but to represent who you are as a person to either make you belong to a group or to differentiate yourself from others.
All of the above falls into brand image and brand identity. Wether you like it or not you buy CCP not as an object simply to hang in your closet and appreciate to yourself. You wear the clothes outside and to communicate something about yourself to others, wether they know it or not. Even more so they may impress others around you who may gain knowledge of the brand through yourself, or impress people who already know the brand of CCP.
Boris is young, so is Bossert what is the differnce age shouldn't come into it.
Iv worked and studied design people are inspired by things that existed before them. Fucking Carol did not invent a fencing jacket, he didn't invent a parachute vest, he didn't invent rice bag stitching.
What he did was find things he like and recontextualized them by sticking his own name on, he might alter on change the proportions of garments/objects: make them in leather instead of cotton etc etc... but he puts his brand name on the object it comes totally different.
His jewelry line is often made up one 1:1 copies, he takes teeth and makes them earrings, he took the pantograph and made it into the proportions of a ring, is this creative yes... but would the original creator say he 'ripped him off' possibly so if they were still alive.
But there is markets which are already saturated and bossart is most likely aiming his product (which is open to anyone) but likely he sells to peole like you who already own CCP. Would you buy his product if you knew nothing of CCP unlikely ... chainstiching, overlock and taping are all very much the characteristics of CCP. The fact he uses these references seem to be more of marketing tool than explanation, anyone can call a stitch anything really.
He does blatent rip off, no different to Boris... in my own opinion boris make rip off from many people but finally he is starting to come into his own,,, many painters study the great masters first to help them create their own technique.
Im not saying creativity doesn't exist in fashion, im saying its normal for people to copy in fashion, its pretty much impossible not to. Im saying i wouldn't buy bossfarts stuff because it lacks effort. I think you are in denial if you think you buy products simply because of technical craftsmanship, we buy fashion, CCP is fashion wether he does one collection a decade it still is fashion, there is nothing wrong with fashion, its part of the world we live in accept it rather than think your above it.
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