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Originally posted by Faust View PostWhat the hell are you talking about. Wow, forums make some people really fucking jaded. Go to the corner of Canal/Broadway in NYC and show 100 people the Rick sneaker and ask them if they know it. You'll be lucky if you find one. The narrowness of perspective of many members of this forum is truly mind-boggling.
Originally posted by kunk75 View Post^that is ludicrous. if something becomes iconic it doesn't automatically make it tacky like a hanging logo or embroidered one would
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rick owens has transformed womens high street fashion in the last couple of years... every fast fashion kiosk will have at least one leather jacket design more or less directly copied off him
it's like what happened with guys when hedi was at dior.. at least over here in scandinavia it sometimes looked like half the guys had just stepped off the dior homme runway, and they were all pretty much wearing local high street brandsSuede is too Gucci.
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Originally posted by Peasant View PostTalk about sig material. Now tell us how Carol was a Nazi and we'll have a real debate going.
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Originally posted by Faust View PostBeardown is not talking about your own taste, but the cultural currents. These may indeed shape your own taste in a reactionary way, but I don't see a problem with that since, as you yourself would say before me, all style is contextual.
Originally posted by kuugaia View PostI think you missed the point I was making. I'm merely stating that I don't have a problem with Chrome Hearts jewllery (it's actually alright), but the majority of the people I see rocking Chrome Hearts merchandise (not the jewellery specifically) ruin it for me. Not because I'm better than them, or whatever bullshit; it's simply because we're different people. It's the association with a group that I don't feel like I belong with that's the problem. So irregardless of how good the designs at CH are, I won't feel a connection to the brand due to its more prevalent customer base. It seems using anything to do with 'Nazi' garners strange responses, or is it the CH loyalty?
1) 'i know i belong to a group, i share the values and rules and behaviors of this group, and reject what is not approved by the group (or its leaders)'
2) 'therefore, my first criterion to choose an item is its group validation or forbidding'
@beardown: no personal reaction on my behalf, i was just questioning your distinction between subtle/non-subtle and your use of the 'branding' concept (which i still don't really get from your last post, but no big deal).pix
Originally posted by FuumaFuck you and your viewpoint, I hate this depoliticized environment where every opinion should be respected, no matter how moronic. My avatar was chosen just for you, die in a ditch fucker.
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Originally posted by kuugaia View PostIt seems using anything to do with 'Nazi' garners strange responses"AVANT GUARDE HIGHEST FASHION. NOW NOW this is it people, these are the brands no one fucking knows and people are like WTF. they do everything by hand in their freaking secret basement and shit."
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Beardown, isn't your point of view a bit naive ? How can you think that no logo is not a kind of logo ?
What is the purpose of the logo ? To make the brand easily recognizable.
Originally posted by beardown View PostAnd there's a certain amount of respect I have for designers and brands who don't even need to place an obvious logo.
All the brands that you're talking about have a lot a characteritic - and stable - features that make them very easy to identify in a clink of an eye. I totally aggre with Avout.
In this case no logo is logo - only a bit more complex, or subtle, not sure though.
And I won't say anything about MA+, who puts the logo right in the middle of some of their clothes...
But, of course you'll say that the people around you have no idea of the charasteristics of the clothes that you wear, hence won't recognize them, hence the "logo status effect" won't work.
Originally posted by beardown View PostWhoa!It's true that 100% of people I come across would never recognize anything I'm wearing (outside of possibly a trip out of state). Down to something as obvious as Rick dunks. [...] I know when I leave home, not a single person is going to recognize anything I'm wearing or associate it with wealth or affluence in any way.
Originally posted by beardown View PostWhereas all the heavy logos and branding (logos, logotypes, hang tags, identity pieces...specific shapes (think Adidas), colors, etc....that's what I mean by 'branding.') tend to cry out for attention: "Buy me because I represent status, I represent belonging to a certain crowd or demographic. I represent money, wealth and exclusivity.'
To conclude shortly, I'd say that this discussion is only about "distinction", in a bourdieusian way, and that I'm amazed that some people here truly think that they're better than those who wear D&G belts or carry LV bags. There's no difference between them and us. Sorry to state the obvious.Last edited by Chant; 05-07-2012, 04:56 AM.
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Originally posted by Faust View PostThat's bullshit. What are the boundaries of good taste, loafers and pocket squares? Hollister sweatshirts?Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Originally posted by Fuuma View Postmixed in counter signals (say narco-trafficante or colonial elements) that make the whole thing crash down into bad taste.pix
Originally posted by FuumaFuck you and your viewpoint, I hate this depoliticized environment where every opinion should be respected, no matter how moronic. My avatar was chosen just for you, die in a ditch fucker.
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Originally posted by Christian View Post
To conclude shortly, I'd say that this discussion is only about "distinction", in a bourdieusian way, and that I'm amazed that some people here truly think that they're better than those who wear D&G belts or carry LV bags. There's no difference between them and us. Sorry to state the obvious.
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Originally posted by Christian View PostTo conclude shortly, I'd say that this discussion is only about "distinction", in a bourdieusian way, and that I'm amazed that some people here truly think that they're better than those who wear D&G belts or carry LV bags. There's no difference between them and us. Sorry to state the obvious.Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Originally posted by Christian View PostTo conclude shortly, I'd say that this discussion is only about "distinction", in a bourdieusian way, and that I'm amazed that some people here truly think that they're better than those who wear D&G belts or carry LV bags. There's no difference between them and us. Sorry to state the obvious.ENDYMA / Archival fashion & Consignment
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Originally posted by Christian View PostTo conclude shortly, I'd say that this discussion is only about "distinction", in a bourdieusian way, and that I'm amazed that some people here truly think that they're better than those who wear D&G belts or carry LV bags. There's no difference between them and us. Sorry to state the obvious.
Obviously it is false to assume when encountering an individual to judge his/her character through dress. And yet, and yet, I don't think it's completely unsubstantiated to make assumptions based on what groups of people wear. Yes, they may be reductivist, but if we agree that we navigate life in no small part by signs, than it become not so hard to say, this is probably not the group that shares my values or tastes (and taste is a value in itself).
Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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