... art can still be trendy. Cubism etc. is generally called a movement. I think that the difference here with a trend is the "normativized and hierarhically ordered ends", a general structure that people who do that kind of stuff aspire to do, and that allow others to put it under a term such as cubism. A trend, at least ot me, is more like, "oh pink is en vogue this month".
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Originally posted by k3mist View Postwhats avant garde fashion?
anything worn that looks ridiculous to the masses...........“You know,” he says, with a resilient smile, “it is a hard world for poets.”
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Originally posted by k3mist View Postwhats avant garde fashion?
"NOW NOW this is it people, these are the brands no one fucking knows and people are like WTF. they do everything by hand in their freaking secret basement and shit.""AVANT GUARDE HIGHEST FASHION. NOW NOW this is it people, these are the brands no one fucking knows and people are like WTF. they do everything by hand in their freaking secret basement and shit."
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Originally posted by Lohikaarme View PostJust means whatever isn't the norm. Generally avant garde is seen as innovative of experimental, though those words are quite loaded.
Historically, in painting, it was used to refered to a group of painters who were going against academic art/what was taught at the acadmies des arts, so here the term was used partly for rebels, albeit I wouldn't just conflate the two terms.
The term was then better defined in the first half of the 20th century and associated with industrialism, the masses and mass production, and the emergence of a new class of literate yet ignorant consumers. I'd argued that Greenberg's definition of kitsch evolved into what we consider to be consumerism, which could partly explain why movements located outside of markets can be perceived as avant-garde.
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Originally posted by stagename View PostI disagree with this. Whatever isn't the norm could be rebellious, quirky, passé, etc., without being avant-garde. If you want to use such a wide definition, I think "before its time" or "before bieng tasteful" would be more accurate, at least etymologically (avant: before; garde/gustos/taste; before taste/before being tasteful).
Historically, in painting, it was used to refered to a group of painters who were going against academic art/what was taught at the acadmies des arts, so here the term was used partly for rebels, albeit I wouldn't just conflate the two terms.
The term was then better defined in the first half of the 20th century and associated with industrialism, the masses and mass production, and the emergence of a new class of literate yet ignorant consumers. I'd argued that Greenberg's definition of kitsch evolved into what we consider to be consumerism, which could partly explain why movements located outside of markets can be perceived as avant-garde.
Avant-garde makes sense as something "before its time" however what would we call a brand (i.e. Rick Owens) if the norm adopts the look? If he were to continue pumping out his standard designs, along with everyone else, we could call this designer innovative and/or avant-garde for his time but certainly not in this hypothetical future?
Certain things can be called "avant-garde" like men's heeled shoes, but that's not really "before" anything, as such was the fashion centuries ago. Currently, we might call that avant-garde though.
I do see the major flaw in my first definition though. Red pants aren't avant-garde just because we like blue jeans .
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no way in hell would I ever wear the upper half of this alone, but it could work with a thin formfitting white RO cashmere cotton top underneath. All grey or all black would work too ... possibly black with grey RO top or white with grey RO top as well. Since a shirt would be worn under, it might be best for the (multilayered) outergarment to be of such a weight that it is in between a top and sweater.
Also, some designer really needs to design a collection inspired by these two (dynooo & sentinel) albums. Would still be sz-ish, but would probably stretch the paradigm into something new. (Click images to listen).
Last edited by trentk; 06-21-2014, 05:42 AM."He described this initial impetus as like discovering that they both were looking at the same intriguing specific tropical fish, with attempts to understand it leading to a huge ferocious formalism he characterizes as a shark that leapt out of the tank."
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Originally posted by Lohikaarme View PostHow would avant-garde apply to us (or at least this forum)?
Originally posted by Lohikaarme View PostAvant-garde makes sense as something "before its time" however what would we call a brand (i.e. Rick Owens) if the norm adopts the look?
Originally posted by Lohikaarme View PostCertain things can be called "avant-garde" like men's heeled shoes
This is obviously my own understanding of hte term and is subject to discussion.
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