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Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by Faust View PostAll I know is that when I am picking a model, it's the model that's right for the project I am doing (granted, there are also constraints of availability, access, etc.). The creative control over the project is all that matters to me - my decision about which model I pick is apolitical. What others think in political terms should not dictate my choice - I don't owe them anything, my only duty is the success of the project.
Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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No, I get what you are saying. Like it or not a Vogue cover does not exist in a vacuum. I suppose I am just trying to live in an ideal world :-)
Still, I will maintain that the duty of any creative person is to their work and not to interest groups.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Why should we treat race differently than any other number of physical characteristics? Also is it race or just skin color, would it be fine if we used people of varying skin color from the same race or people from differing races of the same skin color? Why does this merit concern but only using people of certain height and weight who must have all their limbs does not.
Faust makes the point that casting is up to the person with creative control. What is the positive to robbing them of control of their models, to altering their message? Once diversity is made an issue it seems like focus is shifted off the clothes onto the models, was not that a reason for using a ton of models that all look alike?
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Well creative people don't make their work for themselves alone, they produce these objects to be worn and seen. Every creative person should be mindful of their audience (whether to flatter or provoke that audience) and the context in which the audience experiences their work.One should either be a work of art, or wear a work of art ― Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by guardimp View PostWhy should we treat race differently than any other number of physical characteristics? Also is it race or just skin color, would it be fine if we used people of varying skin color from the same race or people from differing races of the same skin color? Why does this merit concern but only using people of certain height and weight who must have all their limbs does not.
Faust makes the point that casting is up to the person with creative control. What is the positive to robbing them of control of their models, to altering their message? Once diversity is made an issue it seems like focus is shifted off the clothes onto the models, was not that a reason for using a ton of models that all look alike?Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Originally posted by Faust View PostNo, I get what you are saying. Like it or not a Vogue cover does not exist in a vacuum. I suppose I am just trying to live in an ideal world :-)
Still, I will maintain that the duty of any creative person is to their work and not to interest groups.Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
http://www.stylezeitgeist.com/forums...me-other-stuff
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Originally posted by SuE View PostWell creative people don't make their work for themselves alone, they produce these objects to be worn and seen. Every creative person should be mindful of their audience (whether to flatter or provoke that audience) and the context in which the audience experiences their work.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by Faust View PostCreative people's debt is to truth and beauty, not to their audiences. I think you are confusing art with entertainment.
It makes more sense to say there are various way to discuss a fashion shoot, some having to do with "pure" aesthetics, others have to do with representations. If you take the work of someone like Andrès Serrano (pretty much agreed to be an artist), you can talk about composition, classical portraiture and all that while looking at the work displayed below and have something valid to say. However it is also interesting to focus on how IT'S A FUCKING KKK MEMBER IN FULL REGALIA PHOTOGRAPHED BY A BROWN PERSON.
Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Fuuma, the thing I was getting at before we went all philosophical is that I think creative people, as long as they are not fucking idiots (granted, sometimes those who do photo shoots certainly are), should be left to their own devices (provided, obviously that they do not overstep a certain line) and should not be subjected to the PC policing.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by Faust View PostCreative people's debt is to truth and beauty, not to their audiences. I think you are confusing art with entertainment.
Originally posted by guardimp View PostSo creative people should compromise their vision to suit their audience? It seems as though this is a difference between fashion as art and fashion as a commercial good.One should either be a work of art, or wear a work of art ― Oscar Wilde
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