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Originally posted by mrbeuys View PostHe's obviously on there because I was such an excellent mentor to him... also, I've read like 37 millennial studies so I totally get it.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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The most upsetting part is that Fetty Wap has way more votes than Young ThugOriginally posted by jogui went out to take garbage out and froze my tits runnin down stairs , think im gonna chill at home tonite . hungry tho anyone have cool ideas on what to order for supper , not pizza tho sick of pizza
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Originally posted by Faust View Postwho slips in to my body and whispers to my ghost?
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I understand poking fun but isn't this list composed of the same kind of names i-D and Dazed (& Confused) would've published in the early 90s? - DJs, teen idols, local clubs kids, neighborhood visual artists of the moments. How different really are Harley Weir, Reba Maybury, Stormzy, Grace Wales Bonner, Isamaya French, etc from Chloe Sevigny, Sade, Lil Kim, Madonna, Jane Kahn and more?
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Those people mostly had something to say, these people mostly have something to repeat.
I'm 26 and right in the center of their manifold -- these are hardly the people pushing culture towards any new kind of 'apogee' but they are certainly the ones who are loudest about what culture is. That's not the same thing.
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Originally posted by Arkady View PostThose people mostly had something to say, these people mostly have something to repeat.
I'm 26 and right in the center of their manifold -- these are hardly the people pushing culture towards any new kind of 'apogee' but they are certainly the ones who are loudest about what culture is. That's not the same thing.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by mrbeuys View PostHe's obviously on there because I was such an excellent mentor to him... also, I've read like 37 millennial studies so I totally get it.Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
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Originally posted by Arkady View PostThose people mostly had something to say, these people mostly have something to repeat.
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I'm talking about the style of the artmaking or "culture shaping" and not the political substance. We are in a phase of sample culture hitting fever pitch, beginning as a concept in music production and fulminating up to fashion, film and everything else. While there's nothing explicitly wrong with that I usually don't find commentary as composition engaging. And while whatever "culture" is has always relied on reinterpretation and recombination of existing aesthetics / object-signifiers / shit, the twitching recursivity of the netkid / kopster consciousness just isn't particularly interesting.
And for what it's worth I don't think I give much of a shit about any so-called darlings of lifestyle media now or 25 years ago. Of course nothing's changed at root, except there are fewer holding companies and fewer asset managers.
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Arkady, my point was absolutely that those darlings aren’t at all interesting, whether then or now. They’re the cultural filler packed around the always-small handful of people making something new or interesting. While sample culture may have reached a new high, I’m not convinced that the signal-to-noise ratio is any worse than it has been in the last 30 years. I’m trying to be optimistic, hoping that there’s undeveloped magic lurking in those lists of no-hopers…
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I want to also add, every single actor on there spawns from a mega celebrity. Every single one. And most of them have not even worked yet (unless you count modeling for Saint Laurent work).
While the 90's and 2000's had plenty of throwaway names, they all had to do something relatively tactile to reach some sort of notoriety, unlike today, where simply having the same last name as a mega celebrity (even if you aren't related) will get you followed.
There are plenty of well deserved and talented names on this list, even if i'm not a fan of any of them, but this mostly reads as a voting poll for who has the most instagram influence for the ages 13-19 crowd.
I'd also like to add, back in the day, picking up or even being interested in mags like dazed and i-d were not as simple as going through someones follow list on instagram. Most everyone belonged to some sort of alternative scene and saw or heard about it. Even if you just walked into a crown books or stumbled upon it at a borders, you would most likely not even glance at it unless you were already interested in fashion music or culture beyond rolling stone and spin.
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/\ well put (except the deserving part, but what do I know).Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by Arkady View PostAnd while whatever "culture" is has always relied on reinterpretation and recombination of existing aesthetics / object-signifiers / shit, the twitching recursivity of the netkid / kopster consciousness just isn't particularly interesting.
But ultimately, as scanner said, this is nothing more than a popularity contest for teenagers.
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