What are you wearing today?

[Test]

I was talking to Laika the other day and she was wondering out loud why her friends tend to be male. And I said that I think it's because women tend to be petty, while men are more generous.

my SO doesn't have a single female friend of note for this very reason.

Barring the "generosity" part, this is the refrain of every girl I know who has predominately male friends. Regardless of whether they feel that I think it's just become the common refrain and easiest explanation.

For what little it's worth, I still don't understand why a woman's nails wouldn't figure into her fit. Whether or not I understand what would fit best for nails misses the point that it still might be out of place the same as a spikey mohawk or caked on turquoise eyeshadow. Women in hip hop have known for years that nails are a vital part of any look .

Also I still think it's pretty funny the whole thing started because Faust wanted there to be an SZ fight .

I am going to blow this up further, since we haven't had a good fight on SZ in a while.

[Johnny]

OK, take Faust's last picture....and then imagine him with black painted nails. Are you suggesting that you wouldn't let that detail imapct on your view of he he looked?

[Test]

If you're talking to me, yeah, it'd impact my view of his look. If my convoluted post suggested otherwise, sorry.

[Johnny]

Yeah sorry! I missed one of your double negatives. We appear to be saying the same thing!

[zamb]

I think that the underlying foundation of this disagreement stems from people's perception of what is authentic or not.

there are a lot of people who wear clothing, and use things that doesn't necessarily understand the foundational philosophy that brought these things into being,

While I am not judging him because I really don't care, I think its the reason why many are annoyed by HdG's rapid buying of certain items without seemingly trying to understand the philosophy behind them

I think that Mona for the most part (at least I am assuming here) may be of the view that a French manicure cannot be really authentic within the context of the rough hewn, artisanal aesthetic of SZ..................................as there is a philosophical disagreement between both things.

[ProfMonnitoff]

Nails are just as much part of a look as the person's hair style. Perhaps a good comparison for men would be the beard.

[Fuuma]

One part of me has been really tempted to shut up, but I have a hard time leaving an argument when I still have something to say, so here I am.

What I think is the most ridiculous part about this whole argument is the unsophisticated generalizations that people here accept and promote freely. I am astonished that so many people here think it is as simple as "all women are petty, all men are generous." I am not oblivious to a lot of the sexism that curiously seems to pervade men's fashion forums, but I suppose I never thought that it would reach the level here that it has on say, styleforum. Maybe I am naive but it is just incredible to me that so many people could think that way - doesn't it make so much more sense to interpret people as individuals, or, at the very least, to stereotype them using something more significant than biological sex as your guide? I suppose it is the easiest thing to do, but it is also a lazy thing to do. There are men on this forum that I DO NOT LIKE, plain and simple. But I have never thought that they act the way they do because they are men, otherwise I would not post here at all. I appreciate those who can see that a comment about a person's style of nail choice is not irrelevant, but I am afraid that is not so much where the misunderstanding is coming from. I am not the only one who thinks this attitude is wrong...I received a few PMs, etc, about this, and a message from a female poster here saying "and people wonder why girls eventually leave SZ." Indeed.

Having just gone through the last few pages I can only +1 this, WTF guys!!?? Next someone will quote that men are from mars, women are from venus crap and we can all debase ourselves in Oprah-like common wisdom and stupid generalizations. I dunno if I'm one of the aforementioned men Mona dislikes or likes but I'm ok with it as long as it's not because I'm a dude and dudes have to act like this. I prefer being an asshole on my own than as part of a gender decree.

[zamb]

they say that a hero can save us.
Im not gonna stand here and wait.
I'll hold onto the wings of the eagles.
Watch as we all fly away.

Someone told me love will ALL save us.
But how can that be, look what love gave us.
A world full of killing, and blood-spilling
That world never came.

And they say that a hero can save us.
Im not gonna stand here and wait.
I'll hold onto the wings of the eagles.
Watch as we all fly away.

Now that the world isnt ending, its love that Im sending to you.
It isnt the love of a hero, and thats why I fear it wont do.


P-Nod, Hero!
please save us!

[Johnny]

For the avoidance of doubt, and for what it's worth, I agree with Mona. My earlier post was sarcastic, designed, as sarcism often is, to highlight a deficiency in an earlier argument or statement (in this case, lazy gender steroetypes). I forget about having to watch with sarcasm in dealing with a largely American audience.

[chameleon]

+1 on mona and fuuma. Took long enough for someone to react on such an ignorant statement as men being "generous" and women being "petty".

Sorry, but personally I feel generalizations based on gender are just incredibly offensive and stupid. And this thread was doing so well, too, lately.

[galia]

there is a fad for women to profess to have only men friends because women are supposed to be catty and petty. this is just misogynistic and lazy, and a way to make them seem more interesting than they really are. I find this attitude quite offensive in a woman tbh, and I have more male friends than I have female friends (although the balance is currently shifting)

also, I didn't want to say anything, because I'm not sure how things are perceived on your side of the ocean, but here a french manicure is a symbol of provincialism and vulgarity (please don't take this personally Interest1, I by no means accuse you of these things far to the contrary, which is why I don't understand your choice of manicure). basically, in this case, there is a clash of signifiers between the implication of the clothing (sophisticated, interesting etc) and the nails (not sophisticated at all, and fairly common). Maybe things are completely different in America, I don't know, this is just y interpretation of it from a rational point of view.

My personal taste is that french manicures just looks plain odd in general




PS: why not just yell "jello fight" next time two women disagree, it will save you typing time

[laika]

there is a fad for women to profess to have only men friends because women are supposed to be catty and petty. this is just misogynistic and lazy, and a way to make them seem more interesting than they really are. I find this attitude quite offensive in a woman tbh, and I have more male friends than I have female friends (although the balance is currently shifting)

Just to be clear, since my name is somehow tangled up in all this, I didn't say this, nor do I believe it to be the case in my instance.

I am obviously 100% with Mona on this; it's a no brainer.

[galia]

Of course I didn't mean you, but this case has been refered to by someone in the course of the conversation, and this lazy thinking annoys me to no end

[Faust]

Maybe it's because women are insecure about what other women think about them, and know that pretty much every male friend will find them attractive in some, however, deep-rooted, way, thus explaining the "generosity"?

I don't know why that is, but that's what I've seen many times and heard from some women I know. Does the fact that apparently other women notice it too makes them sexist assholes? Actually, Mona, I take issue with the "asshole" insult, because that is an insult inherently aimed at men, which makes you sexist (I could say "a sexist bitch," but I think that would be distasteful). Now, if you were to call me an idiot, or another gender-neutral insult, that I could accept!

[Fuuma]

Asshole is a gender neutral insult (you should know that women have assholes, too) and I use it as such. Your preconceived gendered notions are your own. eta: you can call me a bitch if you want, lots of words are gendered, I take no issue with that.

This is all getting kind of tiresome. I do think it would be interesting if those who PMd me would post here instead. I doubt Faust is going to ban you all, despite your fears.

And for what its worth, I post regularly on an all women's fashion forum, and it is 5x less bitchy and petty than sz, and the women are all infinitely more generous. We are all sending each other presents for no reason all the time. And, I have more male friends than female friends. And I notice nails. And I'm not actually that interested in sexism. And I think taking offense in general is trite. I can sew but I'm a terrible cook and really bad at laundry.


OMG SO MANY CONTRADICTIONS WHAT IS GOING ON

You're never going to snag yourself a husband at this rate...