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Originally posted by BBSCCPI order 1 in every size, please, for every occasion
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I find it interesting that the "other people's reactions..." thread is full of stories of woe about horrible people calling posters horrible names because of their beautiful clothes, yet this one if full of comments about "other" people being the great unwashed, lower forms of life, repulsive etc.
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Originally posted by copacetic View Postthe idea that weddings are about the bride (and groom) only, and that it is "her (their) special day" and all eyes should be on her (them) is a myth created by repulsive baby boomers for repulsive baby boomers to justify the displays of consumption common at their weddings, which, let's face it, are attempts by the bride and her barren mother at recreating the weddings they see in movies and magazines, which are in turn pale imitations of royal weddings in europe and the traditions that surround them. it's petit bourgeois specimens trying to claw their way up from vulgar middle class life, hoping that tuile and pink roses and personalized stationery will do the trick. both the bride from new jersey and the princess from wales can go fuck themselves.
weddings are about the guests. a wedding is not a wedding if friends and family don't show up. a wedding is merely a confirmation in the eyes of those close to us that the love is true and lasting and of importance to everyone. that's been the case with similar social bonding ceremonies throughout anthropological history.
that uncanny feeling that brides and grooms get when everybody is looking at them take their vows? that hyper-self-aware quasi-out-of-body feeling? that's a sign that their feelings don't really matter at the moment. they are on display for others, because weddings are about the guests. similarly, the theater is not for and about actors: the theater is oriented toward the audience.
so: wear a drop-crotch suit to a wedding. brides who think that the focus should be on them alone have a long life of bourgeois striving ahead of themselves and are better left alone in their moment of glory, which will soon give way to crippling personal dissatisfaction.Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Off topic, but truer words have never been spoken.
Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
StyleZeitgeist Magazine
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Originally posted by Johnny View PostI find it interesting that the "other people's reactions..." thread is full of stories of woe about horrible people calling posters horrible names because of their beautiful clothes, yet this one if full of comments about "other" people being the great unwashed, lower forms of life, repulsive etc.I can see a hat, I can see a cat,
I can see a man with a baseball bat.
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Originally posted by shahanshah View Postif someone asked me to wear an indian woman's outfit to a wedding i'd reconsider the friendship
point is still valid though, and even extends beyond attire though we can leave it at that here.Selling CCP, Harnden, Raf, Rick etc.
http://www.stylezeitgeist.com/forums...me-other-stuff
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so the bride and groom want "traditional"? what does that even mean?
well, nowadays it means the style of wedding popularized by queen victoria and her cousin/husband prince albert of saxe-coburg. victoria's grandfather was king george iii, who is cheerfully commemorated in the declaration of independence, in which george is accused of "destroying the lives of [the american] people." george iii's father, king george ii, was a notorious philanderer and warmonger. prince albert's parents, though not as contemptible as victoria's, were also spiritually bankrupt. duke ernest i divorced his wife louise, the mother of his two children, after he was unfaithful to her. louise died of cancer in shame and obscurity at age thirty.
such are the contributions to the institution of marriage that the corrupt, incestuous houses of hanover and saxe-coburg-gotha offer us, along with the aesthetic trappings of the "traditional" wedding.
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only in the affluent west would a wedding guest be told with great specificity what to wear and how to wear it, and moreover, still decide to attend the wedding of such a blatant egotist after being so condescended to. historically (looking far back), it has been precisely the other way around: the bride and groom are obligated to dress according to customs that are, in a way, "enforced" by the attendees, all of whom play a part in organizing and planning the wedding on behalf of the couple.
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such is the sad state of our culture. sadder yet is that very few are willing to question the institutions that sit--bloated and obsolete--right in front of our eyes. the historical development of the modern wedding lays bare the desires behind it: mimicry of european royalty, bourgeois class-signaling, and (to me) a rather moving existential search for strong social bonds in a society that asks its members to sideline them in favor of more productive pursuits.
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and still: a man is told not to wear shorts to a wedding because he might not "match" the "vision" of its planners!
and so, to all of these happy bride(groom)s-cum-wedding-planners who are looking forward to their sci-fi-themed destination weddings, i hope that you and your klingon-impersonating facebook friends have a great time together at the reception.And "When the prince has gathered about him
"All the savants and artists, his riches will be fully employed."
Canto XIII, Ezra Pound
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Originally posted by EternalThanks copacetic, I've told people multiple times why I don't want to get married. From now on I will just link to your two posts.
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I think he's just saying that's a symptom of a bankrupt institution he's not interested in upholding.
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while it may not be your thing (or mine either), some people spend their whole pre-married life dreaming of an obnoxious, pretentious, vulgar affair to celebrate their nuptials. Don't judge them....and don't attend if their misplaced extravagance bothers or offends you; just respect their desires/wants/dreams and wish them good luck and happiness....and hope they'll have enuf $$$ to do it again......and again......and again.
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Originally posted by copacetic View Postonly in the affluent west would a wedding guest be told with great specificity what to wear and how to wear it, and moreover, still decide to attend the wedding of such a blatant egotist after being so condescended to. historically (looking far back), it has been precisely the other way around: the bride and groom are obligated to dress according to customs that are, in a way, "enforced" by the attendees, all of whom play a part in organizing and planning the wedding on behalf of the couple.
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such is the sad state of our culture. sadder yet is that very few are willing to question the institutions that sit--bloated and obsolete--right in front of our eyes. the historical development of the modern wedding lays bare the desires behind it: mimicry of european royalty, bourgeois class-signaling, and (to me) a rather moving existential search for strong social bonds in a society that asks its members to sideline them in favor of more productive pursuits.Originally posted by EternalThanks copacetic, I've told people multiple times why I don't want to get married. From now on I will just link to your two posts.
Originally posted by endorphinz View Postwhile it may not be your thing (or mine either), some people spend their whole pre-married life dreaming of an obnoxious, pretentious, vulgar affair to celebrate their nuptials. Don't judge them....and don't attend if their misplaced extravagance bothers or offends you; just respect their desires/wants/dreams and wish them good luck and happiness....and hope they'll have enuf $$$ to do it again......and again......and again.
Maybe we should take a break to watch Bridezillas and then resume the conversation.Last edited by Sombre; 08-09-2011, 01:33 PM.An artist is not paid for his labor, but for his vision. - James Whistler
Originally posted by BBSCCPI order 1 in every size, please, for every occasion
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Alright I'm busy
but let me take all comers here, and chop this madness down to size..........
While I 100% agree with everything Copacetic said (i told my wife if I ever were to have a marriage ceremony again i would only have family and a few friends rather than the gaudy affair we had)
but it is to be made clear that a wedding ceremony and a marriage are two different things, and one needn't have a ridiculous wedding ceremony in order to have a wonderful marriage
the idea that the institution of marriage is outdated is bull crap, marriage had been around since the existence of human beings, and so long as human being exist there will be a need for marriage.“You know,” he says, with a resilient smile, “it is a hard world for poets.”
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