I remember mrbeuys telling me an anecdote in which he asked if he should tone his look down ahead of a client meeting and he was indeed encouraged to do the opposite because he is in a creative industry and he was kind of expect to look unordinary. So, yes, context definitely matters.
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Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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don't worry, everyone will grow up one day. I'm in a J.Crew ludlow fucking suit today for god's sake
Originally posted by cjbreed View Postso....at first i was going offer a snarky reply, like...no i don't need approval from my wife because i get plenty from yours...or something rude like that. then i decided to just let it ride, as you didn't really get what i was saying and clearly have a pretty naive understanding of marriage. and humor.
but, now i decided to offer a more constructive reply, since there is no "wives reactions to your clothes" thread. and things are moving a bit slowly round here these days. so, why not.
this goes for me and likely for a lot of others around here that are perhaps a little older and in serious or committed relationships. she is not just my wife, she's my best friend, and has my best interests at heart.
i am closer to 40 than 30. i live in one of the most conservative cities in one of the most conservative states in america, and therefore worldwide. i am a business owner in a conservative male dominated industry. i sell directly to the public. the entire public. good ole boys, southern baptists, republicans. i am responsible for a lot of people. i do not live in rome or paris or nyc, and i am not a dj or creative director or stylist or musician. so, it is not necessarily wise for me to dress in full on rick owens complete with drop crotch and leggings, no matter how cool it looks or how much i like it. that is if i want to make a living and be taken seriously by my clients.
there is such a thing as dressing appropriately. not just indulging your impulses. it is a good idea to dress age appropriate, according to your body type, and according to your position in life, personally and professionally.
it is not important enough to me to wear head to toe rick if it puts other things that are also important to me at risk. just to have "fun". if wearing drop crotch shorts and rick owens trainers costs me a deal, that i need in order to feed my family, then i fucked up. i am irresponsible. i am acting like a child, not like a man.
sometimes i need my wife to remind me of these things. and thank god i have her. i'd sell my entire wardrobe just to spend an afternoon with her if she asked me to. and believe me, you would too.
and it doesn't really bother me. there are so many other things that i also love to wear that i don't really feel slighted, or like i'm missing out, if some of the more progressive, stylized, or avant garde pieces are off limits to me. i enjoy finding a balancing act between what is expected of me and what i really like. my style is a toned down version of the edgier, harder look. thats all
sorry for the rant, but i'm kind of interested in what some others might have to say about this topic...
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While you can't do big law and wall st. jobs while wearing spirals and gloved invis-stitch leather jackets, I would imagine that in one of these creative jobs, you would be expected to be somewhat "funky", i.e. you would still have to dress in a way that lives up to peoples expectation of what one of them creative types look like. Granted, that gives a broader selection of clothes available compared to just suiting up, but there is still an element of uniform(ity) present.
I'm lucky(?) to be an academia where genuinely no one gives a flying fuck what I wear (not even myself), hence I can dick up or bum out, whatever.
I think people need to start disassociating suiting up with being grown up and/or successful, especially in the states it seems every one whose occupation resembles white-collar is wearing a bad suit looking like an cheap insurance salesman.I do not recognise the vessel,
but the eyes seem so familiar
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I think we'd need to also break up what a "creative type" means. Cause if we are talking graphic designers, aren't they expected to look like young Swedes?Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by cjbreed View Postif wearing drop crotch shorts and rick owens trainers costs me a deal, that i need in order to feed my family, then i fucked up. i am irresponsible. i am acting like a child, not like a man.
sometimes i need my wife to remind me of these things. and thank god i have her. i'd sell my entire wardrobe just to spend an afternoon with her if she asked me to. and believe me, you would too.
The importance here is a knowledge of what is personal style. My Cuban grandfather said "it's not the expensive clothes that make the man, it's how rich his 'estilo entero' is.."
I worked as a personal stylist for a few years and had the opportunity to style all walks of life from all professions. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what it is you wear, if it distracts from who you are as a person or a professional, it will always be perceived as theatrical and you will not be taken seriously no matter what field of work you are in. On the other hand, if what you wear coincides with your personal style and magnifies your natural essence, then you can pretty much execute what you will, wooing the world like the Pied Piper, feather in cap with flute and followers in tow and take everyone straight to the bank.Originally posted by Shucksit's like cocaine, only heavier. and legal.Originally posted by interest1I don't live in the past. But I do have a vacation home there.
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Originally posted by Faust View PostI think we'd need to also break up what a "creative type" means. Cause if we are talking graphic designers, aren't they expected to look like young Swedes?
if i for example would dress a ccp uniform on a group of people in a special profession i'd probably say either tinsmiths or butchers (or is that also a cliché?)
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the ones I've worked with wear Acne, APC, Kitsune, Pierre Hardy, NN07...
it's like the american heritage prep movement but more clean and tidyOriginally posted by Shucksit's like cocaine, only heavier. and legal.Originally posted by interest1I don't live in the past. But I do have a vacation home there.
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Originally posted by Johnny View PostImagine taking your wife’s/husband’s views into account in what you wear! The shame!
As another CJ might have said (and this is really for a pretty niche market, and definitely also for those who are nearer 40 than 30, or indeed beyond), I didn’t get where I am today by wearing drop crotch sweatpants.
maybe some of us don't want to be where you are...
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Originally posted by Shucks View Postmaybe some of us don't want to be where you are..."AVANT GUARDE HIGHEST FASHION. NOW NOW this is it people, these are the brands no one fucking knows and people are like WTF. they do everything by hand in their freaking secret basement and shit."
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I wear Rick frequently at work but for an svp position it is really kind of necessary to put on a more staid client costume now and again. I am a creative but still a business man asking clients to entrust me with a lot of their money.
QUOTE=olethomas;420804]well the cliché is actually mostly correct at least for norwegian graphic designers which all seems to be infected by acne (no pun intended)
if i for example would dress a ccp uniform on a group of people in a special profession i'd probably say either tinsmiths or butchers (or is that also a cliché?)[/QUOTE]
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