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  • PrinceOfCats
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 100

    ^I actually just read it for school. I can't read it to make it anything different from Sade, boredom arranged in a complex pattern. (Admittedly, writing a dissertation à la française can make just about anything seem boring.) Same goes for Ionesco and Beckett... Duras is about the earliest this stuff starts to get readable.

    Good for learning French sex vocab though. My translation dictionary only gives the slightly prim 'la sperme' for 'come'.
    the extraordinary metamorphosis of one black liquid into another

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    • Fade to Black
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 5340

      yeah I read the text in English my French is very rusty.

      I think the afterword by the author explaining his choice in imagery ties it up together somewhat...but the meat of the novella (ie the whole story) just doesn't really work without that last part, which is why it doesn't gel with me.
      www.matthewhk.net

      let me show you a few thangs

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      • Real Real
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2007
        • 619

        John Cheever?

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        • Fade to Black
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 5340

          faust good call on Kundera's Immortality. Reading it right after ULOB was a one-two punch that had me completely floored. The sixth sequence ("The Dial") left me breathless, that section on its own was unbelievable - out of this world, out of this universe, out of time and space. Consider my mind thoroughly blown, my worldview and notions of things like self, being, sex, love, chance completely altered yet again in just a 2nd reading of MK. He went far with ULOB in his lofty philosophical meditations, but on this one he just took it even further beyond even what I was expecting. Sounds hyperbolic, but haven't had any experience that left me after I was done with the book, I was kinda staggering and disoriented for a good while.

          Not too often I say this even though I seem to dish out praise a lot - but this is one of those rare books that can really change a person. I've heard this description used for a lot of things, and even though they may have been things I appreciated, didn't really get the impact of that sentence til now. The guy is saying things with a novel that even a powerful nonfiction treatise like The Black Swan doesn't quite tie together as finely.
          www.matthewhk.net

          let me show you a few thangs

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          • Faust
            kitsch killer
            • Sep 2006
            • 37849

            I'm glad you liked it. It had the same exact effect on me when I read it for the first time, which was a while ago. The sucky thing is that when you come to these masterpieces later and you want to talk to people about it, and people tell you (in academia), "well, he is not very fashionable to read now." Funk you.

            Reading Summer in Baden-Baden by Leonid Tsypkin. Real-real, a must read for you, I think.
            Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

            StyleZeitgeist Magazine

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            • Fade to Black
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 5340

              Originally posted by Faust View Post
              The sucky thing is that when you come to these masterpieces later and you want to talk to people about it, and people tell you (in academia), "well, he is not very fashionable to read now." Funk you.
              this is one of the reasons I'm hesitant about re-entering the world of academia for some higher-higher education. In theory it's nice to have a community of people who also like reading and discussing this kind of stuff, but at the same time I have spent some brief time within social circles populated by such 'literati' and notice there's the same politics and fickle maneuvering amongst even such a crowd which I would've expected to be the opposite of a bureaucratic organization like a large corporation or the government. I find that sharing each other's original work or even discussing commonly admired famous works becomes more like a show of one-upmanship and schmoozing as if it was some cocktail party, I'd rather read for my own enjoyment if that's the case. Looks like everywhere you go it's the same old, same old...
              www.matthewhk.net

              let me show you a few thangs

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              • kira
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2008
                • 2353

                Academia is not bad. It depends upon who you are learning with. I found the best exchanges with my students were when I pushed outside what is fashionable, which was most of the time.
                Distraction is an obstruction of the construction.

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                • mamaboy
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 415

                  baudelaire....talking about parfums in every second verse...
                  but what started out as business has quickley turned to pleasure

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                  • kira
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 2353

                    I just read this small 'self-help' piece by Scott King. It is called Anxiety & Depression: Climb Out of the Cellar of Your Mind. Quite funny.

                    Small excerpt from Illustration of Anxiety #01: Binman Hates Me

                    I shouldn't have put broken glass in that bin bag.

                    Or at least I should've wrapped it up in the newspaper- several sheets, then taped it up as well.

                    The binman is bound to cut his hand.

                    He's going to sue me. It's not the suing that I am bothered about.

                    He'll think I'm some ignorant thoughtless arsehole who doesn't care about him or his hand.

                    He'll probably stop taking my rubbish, and I don't blame him.

                    If he won't collect my rubbish I'll end up with rats in my garden.

                    I'm trying to sell my house.

                    How will I ever sell my house with rats running about?

                    It'll be my fault. It is my fault.

                    I'll write to the Council and apologise.

                    But, If I let them know that I'm still here, they'll start chasing me for unpaid Council tax.

                    Then I'll have to pay off the three year backlog of Council tax.

                    I haven't got three-and-a-half grand to pay the fucking Council tax.

                    They'll send the bailiffs round. I can't let them take my computer.

                    It's got all my ideas on it.

                    I should start to print of all my ideas and save them in a binder.

                    My printer doesn't work...



                    Distraction is an obstruction of the construction.

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                    • kira
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 2353

                      Originally posted by merz
                      kira, that was fucking priceless. nearly sent me to the floor.
                      That is just a small part of one 'exercise'. It is quite brilliant.
                      Distraction is an obstruction of the construction.

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                      • Real Real
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 619

                        Originally posted by Faust View Post
                        Reading Summer in Baden-Baden by Leonid Tsypkin. Real-real, a must read for you, I think.
                        Thanks for the recommendation, I will check it out.

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                        • mamaboy
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 415

                          kundera,bulgakov.....why waist time?
                          appollinaire is much better touching.....
                          but what started out as business has quickley turned to pleasure

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                          • grapz
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 186

                            Reading Infinite jest

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                            • skecr8r_l8r
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 122

                              Originally posted by mamaboy View Post
                              kundera,bulgakov.....why waist time?
                              appollinaire is much better touching.....
                              How can you even compare them?

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                              • Fade to Black
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 5340

                                at this point i am convinced mamaboy is dominidior/dioruchka of the Golden Age of Hedi Slimane at MSN Groups Dot Com

                                Even if it's not, I'd like to pretend it is. Long time no see, my main man.
                                www.matthewhk.net

                                let me show you a few thangs

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