musicians with sz style

[PandorasFate]

You can't mix with your hands in the air. Fact.

Thank you for the giggle, Upsilon.

[upsilonkng]

ps I didn't dismiss electronic music, I just don't like dj's pretending to be musicians, they are 2 different things.
I love fennesz as well as tangerine dream, kraftwerk, aphex twin, depeche mode,morton subotnick, stockhausen etc they make music , some of my favorite music actually they don't just curate the playlist for the night.
Shucks, I go get out, been all over the world on tour and will do so again soon but like clothing I don't follow paper thin trends or revival trends like techno. Of which I went and saw the original shit back in the late 80's early 90's all those shitty warehouse parties like nirvana (not the band), saw Adamski and 808 state when they were still warehouse things, i've owned E2-E4 lp since the late 80's. so i do absolutely see techno as a revival as dead as grunge.

[kunk75]

you forgot martin's solos?

Still, with the exception of Dave Gahan the rest of the band were "pushing nobs" during concerts.

It's not even an argument - real DJs (I'm not talking about those that string songs together at parties) compose music. Even if they don't play instruments themselves on stage that does not mean that they are not musicians. Or do you want to call them composers?

[upsilonkng]

to put it in the context of this board here's pretty much how i see the difference between a dj and a musician, obviously i have a preference because i'm one of these.

personal style:self curation
everyone makes personal play list or choose what they listen to daily be it a workout playlist or what cd or lp u put on in ur home=

what u wear on a daily basis, a lot of us came here to improve our perception of what can be and what's possible to apply initially to our daily wear and wardrobe.

group style: curation
now u've graduated to a paying dj job be it part time(weekly at a local bar), making cd's for ur workspace etc.. other people will pay u to play stuff they think u like, u have to decide what's appropriate for the situation, some money is at stake=

you're now a stylist, people think u have awesome taste in clothes and u have a lot of it or a lot of friends that work in retail. you now have to dress people in what u see fit and what they think u see fit, some money is at stake.

Professional/Corporate Style: professional curation
So u care enough or were lucky enough to make it a profession. you own a small boutique, or a big boutique, or ur a buyer for a big or small company ranging from Darklands to Target. This is ur life, ur living depends on it and dozens to thousands to millions of people have to agree you either have ur mortgage betting on it or a lot more. But ur a professional and u will get it done regardless of what it takes. =

Ur a world famous dj!! u headline huge events all over the world and the pressure is on to make sure people get what they expect on a nightly basis or next year u won't be on the same circuit, but ur a pro u will deliver a good time.

my point?

at no time is being a curator the same as being the creator, u can curate at multiple levels but u are still using creator's work as canvas and language. you may even be more important as a curator than most creators (Barney's buyer or Atelier way back or Darkland's now than say Odyn Vovk) but you exist on different planes. Of course we both need each other but there is a line and it's pretty fuckin distinct.
Curators are not creators, dj's are not musicians.

[upsilonkng]

So I guess you guys aren't all that into performances of classical piano sonatas. I mean it's just a guy pushing buttons and who knows if he's even playing or if it's just a player piano?

the piano is almost a 400 year old instrument so there are no knobs or buttons dork. Player piano's are the original sequencer. They can be used for fuckin awesome shit.
conlon nancarrow is one of my favorite composers, he used player pianos for years, he bought a custom built punching machine because people couldn't play what he was writing so for many years maybe decades he just punched out his compositions. They are spectacular and nearly unplayable certainly not by any single pianist. I consider him the first aphex twin but from 1950.
here's an example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFz2lCEkjFk

[DudleyGray]

the piano is almost a 400 year old instrument so there are no knobs or buttons dork. Player piano's are the original sequencer. They can be used for fuckin awesome shit.
conlon nancarrow is one of my favorite composers, he used player pianos for years, he bought a custom built punching machine because people couldn't play what he was writing so for many years maybe decades he just punched out his compositions. They are spectacular and nearly unplayable certainly not by any single pianist. I consider him the first aphex twin but from 1950.
here's an example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFz2lCEkjFk

Buttons, keys, tomato, tomato. End result is the same, you see a guy press a bunch of things and then there's some sounds you like.

Cool shit re: player piano though.

[fncyths]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh9C7nQHmII

[DudleyGray]

honestly in context of this board here's pretty much how i see the difference between a dj and a musician, obviously i have a preference because i'm one of these.
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my point?

at no time is being a curator the same as being the creator, u can curate at multiple levels but u are still using creator's work as canvas and language. you may even be more important as a curator than most creators (Barney's buyer or Atelier way back or Darkland's now than say Odyn Vovk) but you exist on different planes. Of course we both need each other but there is a line and it's pretty fuckin distinct.
Curators are not creators, dj's are not musicians.

I gave this post some consideration, and I think this was well thought out. It works well on paper, but my issue with it would be that dj as a concept is not clear at all. True, there are still djs that work in your analogy, but there are just so many different ways to perform electronic music these days that dj is not much more than an umbrella term.

Consider vinyl/cdj vs traktor/serrato w/ or w/o sample triggering vs hardware vs ableton with just controllers or integrated with other instruments etc. And what one can do with this stuff just seems endless, from triggering/mashing up tiny short samples:

Madeon - Pop Culture (live mashup): http://youtu.be/lTx3G6h2xyA

to live remixing:

Jon Hopkins Boiler Room LIVE Show: http://youtu.be/1t3fk4QPlD4

I mean that's not even taking into consideration the source material, who produced it/remixed it/cut and processed it. It hardly seems fair to reduce the performance to just pressing play and pushing buttons. And hell even just straight mixing tracks can look cool as shit:

Deadmau5 - Arguru Live @ Earl's Court (TouchScree…: http://youtu.be/hegqRGDQ_OA

But really sometimes, you just want to see a guy who produced tracks you love push play in a live setting, to hear it on a huge system in a setting where everyone else wants the same. I think there's something to that as well.

Clams Casino First Live Show in SF.: http://youtu.be/R9EUOCTmTb0

I also have thoughts on the straight traditional dj but nothing particularly new/noteworthy.

[profondo nero]

Boy, that escalated quickly.

[fncyths]

[upsilonkng]

that is truly amazing! now if I can get the Flower Travellin Band "Satori" w/ lock grooves, reverse play and a hologram of shirtless buff japanese singer I will purchase 5 copies. If it's just that garage shit I'll go ahead and pass.

[stagename]

Relevant:

http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/arcade-fire-win-butler-edm-daft-punk-coachella

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/deadmau5-replies-to-arcade-fires-anti-edm-jab-whats-your-problem-20140424

Also for the laugh:

[Sergey Seven]

Adam "Nergal" Darski of BEHEMOTH in russian prison wearing RO leather

[fncyths]

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hmm, looks like the entrance to an underground leather daddy bar in berlin...

[Lohikaarme]

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hmm, looks like the entrance to an underground leather daddy bar in berlin...

Well most metal styling was based off Judas Priest's Rob Halford. His outfits were largely inspired by gay bars and leather culture.