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  • Magic1
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 225

    I've heard kangaroo leather is the strongest leather in the world, but I'm not sure. it's also very thin and light. shell cordovan is very hot, I agree. I have a pair that I wear regularly and I love how it ages, but it sucks on a hot day...

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    • sinnedk
      Banned
      • Dec 2011
      • 137

      Originally posted by Magic1 View Post
      I've heard kangaroo leather is the strongest leather in the world, but I'm not sure. it's also very thin and light. shell cordovan is very hot, I agree. I have a pair that I wear regularly and I love how it ages, but it sucks on a hot day...
      shell is definitely tough, also doesn't stretch as well as others.

      i am too interested if kangaroo is toughest?

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      • mortalveneer
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 993

        i think "toughest" is too generic a term for what we're describing.

        spider silk has the strength of steel, but that doesn't mean you can suspend a buick with it.

        i would imagine that per unit depth, kangaroo leather is the strongest (of commonly available leathers), but i don't know enough about leather to know what measurement would equate to toughness.
        I am not who you think I am

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        • tron
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 485

          most stab resistant (?)
          "I think perfection is ugly. Somewhere in the things humans make, I want to see scars, failure, disorder, distortion."

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          • Joker
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2011
            • 115

            For my experience, I think horse cordovan is the toughest what i met.
            The shape get strong even still get using.

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            • TFXm
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 8

              By definition,

              Toughness requires a balance between strength and an ability to deform under tension without getting cracked or fractured.

              And

              Tensile strength is the maximum stress that a material can withstand while being stretched or pulled before localized deformation occurs.

              Regarding our case,

              The Shell Cordovan leather is taken from the butt of the horse and those fibrous flat muscles contain very little fat and Elastin (connective tissue). Also the fibers are closely packed in nature, which could explain why it feels hot compared to other leather types. As many of you've already said, Shell Cordovan is probably the "toughest" leather available due to it's fiber density.

              On the other hand, Kangaroo leather contains a fair amount of Elastin and the fibers are oriented uniformly and in parallel. As a result, it has got greater tensile strength and can hold on very well even when made into thinner layers since the basic property remains the same, ie the Elastin content per unit area and the parallel running fiber bundles.

              If my understanding is correct, on the "toughness" front, Shell Cordovan is probably the best until some more closely packed fiber of animal skin origin comes along. On the other hand, Kangaroo leather can retain most of it's qualities even when made into thin cuts, so greater "tensile strength" on a same volume level.

              I prefer Kangaroo leather goods during hot days. Donkey leather is good too.

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              • mortalveneer
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2008
                • 993

                ^ thank you for articulating what was an inchoate inkling in my own mind...
                I am not who you think I am

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                • cowsareforeating
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 1030

                  saw the double zip green boots at h lorenzo today. they are an amazing mutant green that will probably look like everythign

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                  • SlightRight
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 174

                    Originally posted by TFXm View Post
                    By definition,

                    Toughness requires a balance between strength and an ability to deform under tension without getting cracked or fractured.

                    And

                    Tensile strength is the maximum stress that a material can withstand while being stretched or pulled before localized deformation occurs.

                    Regarding our case,

                    The Shell Cordovan leather is taken from the butt of the horse and those fibrous flat muscles contain very little fat and Elastin (connective tissue). Also the fibers are closely packed in nature, which could explain why it feels hot compared to other leather types. As many of you've already said, Shell Cordovan is probably the "toughest" leather available due to it's fiber density.

                    On the other hand, Kangaroo leather contains a fair amount of Elastin and the fibers are oriented uniformly and in parallel. As a result, it has got greater tensile strength and can hold on very well even when made into thinner layers since the basic property remains the same, ie the Elastin content per unit area and the parallel running fiber bundles.

                    If my understanding is correct, on the "toughness" front, Shell Cordovan is probably the best until some more closely packed fiber of animal skin origin comes along. On the other hand, Kangaroo leather can retain most of it's qualities even when made into thin cuts, so greater "tensile strength" on a same volume level.

                    I prefer Kangaroo leather goods during hot days. Donkey leather is good too.
                    Agreed there!
                    Kangaroo is the best choice for summer and wear without socks.

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                    • dmash
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 168

                      Originally posted by SlightRight View Post
                      Agreed there!
                      Kangaroo is the best choice for summer and wear without socks.


                      That's why I just picked up kangaroo derbies.

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                      • PoubelleMaBelle
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 180

                        Originally posted by cowsareforeating View Post
                        saw the double zip green boots at h lorenzo today. they are an amazing mutant green that will probably look like everythign
                        Love the green, but not totally sold on that specific boot... Is this the first time they've made something in that color?

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                        • mortalveneer
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 993

                          one pair of my gf's augustas...yoox boxed 'em generically so I don't know leather, season, nada, but got them four and a half years ago...

                          I am not who you think I am

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                          • doldrums
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 500

                            pic lifted from atelier blog


                            the more things change, the more they...

                            well...can't wait to see some SELF-EDGE boots...must be around the corner....?...
                            Last edited by doldrums; 06-05-2012, 11:46 AM.

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                            • tron
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 485

                              the shape reminds me a bit of ccp... also the dead end zips
                              "I think perfection is ugly. Somewhere in the things humans make, I want to see scars, failure, disorder, distortion."

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                              • brad1981
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 153

                                i would say that's ccp identicals, are they from the current season?

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