Furniture, furnishings, and interior design

[bestial]

works well with my gimmicky plastic kartell-piece then. but yes, it's boring that it ain't solid copper. but solid steel materials ain't that usual nowdays when you go out and touch shit.

scratches I hope to avoid, won't run that much in the ceiling.

[lowrey]

less running on the ceiling is always a good idea

not a huge fan of ze ballz, something about the copper looks tacky to me.

completely unrelated, but came across a few pretty sick pieces recently when browsing for furniture:

Eames ESU400 cabinet




Friso Kramer drafting table


Paolo Tomassi custom made stereo sideboard, 1978


Andre Cordemeijer storage unit by Gispen

[Shucks]

works well with my gimmicky plastic kartell-piece then. but yes, it's boring that it ain't solid copper. but solid steel materials ain't that usual nowdays when you go out and touch shit.

scratches I hope to avoid, won't run that much in the ceiling.

i meant that it's the polycarbonate that makes it look/feel gimmicky. if it was blown glass with a copper coating inside i wouldn't have minded it so much, even if it's a bit of a seventies porno-pad kind of style (might go well with that stereo sideboard )... as for use as a single pendulum, i suppose it works as long as the ceiling is high enough to still give it a nicely suspended look.

btw, kartell have the 'easy' pendulum in a metallic finish now as well, silver and gold i think, if you're into that sort of thing...

lowrey, lovely stuff (even if i'm not a mid-century modernist, i can appreciate it...) - the cordemeijer cabinet is interesting. odd contrast between the high gloss finish of the white hatch (and shelves?) and the pared down industrial construction.

[Shucks]

never seen this before. leather flooring is pretty slick...

[bestial]

Love the Eames cabinet! If I had the time (to hunt down) and the money I'd be all over some Eames rarities. Been looking for a old LCM lately, no luck.

Shucks, I just like to try and pull your legs ;) it would've been awesome if it was made out of glass or real copper, but let's face it, everythings better then the Norm69.

Although, I never use ceiling lights, don't like how the room gets lit, so I always have three-four floor/table lamps on. That's maybe why I don't have a damn clue what to get for the non-runnable ceiling.

Lowrey, I love copper, feels like childhood, but would be awesome to get real copper.

[PaintedBlack_7]

Love the Eames cabinet! If I had the time (to hunt down) and the money I'd be all over some Eames rarities. Been looking for a old dcm lately, no luck.

if you REALLY want the eames cabinet, and are really hurting for some cash, especially on herman miller produced shit. you can probably find a knock off for like $100. hell ikea even makes eames knock off shit, surf board tables and ade a few shell chairs in the past. DWR also had a sale. Sorry for the rambling i collect vintage furniture

[bestial]

I think you misread my post...

[lowrey]

that, plus are there really fakes of this type of pieces? I thought its mostly the more generic stuff that is copied. and even if there was, I doubt it would be $100 for a setup like that?

I'm surprised that you call yourself a collector and would reccomend buying a fake particularly on a piece like this, in which the materials and the patina are the soul.

[PaintedBlack_7]

that, plus are there really fakes of this type of pieces? I thought its mostly the more generic stuff that is copied. and even if there was, I doubt it would be $100 for a setup like that?

I'm surprised that you call yourself a collector and would reccomend buying a fake particularly on a piece like this, in which the materials and the patina are the soul.

the patina can be faked, to be honest there are alot of designer knock offs that are actually built quite a bit better than the originals. the processes in manufacturing have improved over the years, especially older pieces designed in the 50's like the fiberglass chairs.

im not telling him to run out and sharpie herman miller on a chair and try to pass it off as an original, but i there are similar reproductions of classic pieces, i have even seen ann demulemester table reproductions at Mor furniture, and ikea tends to reproduce alot of classic pieces. there is also a local place here called plummers that produced a noguchi table and carry a few grey side tables made in china.

i don't understand why you have a hard time stating i call myself a collector, i have pieces, i appreciate the fact that they are orignal and i'll tell you right now.....spend a premium on buying the original pieces it is also TIME CONSUMING.

so that poster saying he is hardup for some cash, maybe doesn't want to spend the years hunting down a good condition, reasonably priced original then go ahead and go with the repro especially since most guys my age hack up furniture, getting drunk etc etc

[lowrey]

the patina can be faked, to be honest there are alot of designer knock offs that are actually built quite a bit better than the originals.

would be interesting to see a repro of this cabinet or one from the same line, particularly the faked patina. I mean, you are throwing around advice to "go ahead and go with the repro", so I assume they are easy to locate? I'm not an expert on knock offs but like I said the ones I've seen have been more generic pieces.

i don't understand why you have a hard time stating i call myself a collector, i have pieces, i appreciate the fact that they are orignal and i'll tell you right now.....spend a premium on buying the original pieces it is also TIME CONSUMING.

because being a collector to me means respecting the work and not saying "oh you like that piece? go buy a knock off if you're short on cash."

Of course, sometimes you have to make compromises and when the alternative is crap from Ikea, why not buy some chinese chair. I have a made in china office chair off of ebay myself, instead of buying some crappy generic chair for $100 I bought a crappy knock off for $100 which at least looks nice. Neither one holds any value so this was my only exception. But I wouldn't buy knock offs from any large pieces and particularly ones where age is a factor, such as the Eames cabinet.

[PaintedBlack_7]

would be interesting to see a repro of this cabinet or one from the same line, particularly the faked patina. I mean, you are throwing around advice to "go ahead and go with the repro", so I assume they are easy to locate? I'm not an expert on knock offs but like I said the ones I've seen have been more generic pieces.




because being a collector to me means respecting the work and not saying "oh you like that piece? go buy a knock off if you're short on cash."

Of course, sometimes you have to make compromises and when the alternative is crap from Ikea, why not buy some chinese chair. I have a made in china office chair off of ebay myself, instead of buying some crappy generic chair for $100 I bought a crappy knock off for $100 which at least looks nice. Neither one holds any value so this was my only exception. But I wouldn't buy knock offs from any large pieces and particularly ones where age is a factor, such as the Eames cabinet.

i understand that people have different needs, does everyone really need to spend $500 on an original shell chair? no, if you're some college student on a very tight budget you can go ahead and get the same LOOK on a budget that fits you.

i'm 23 years old, and working on a master's degree. most members of this forum are 17-20. over the years i tend to have found out that not everyone has to do it MY way, MY WAY is just that, the way that suits me the best. I find value in it being an original piece. a lot of people in this world do not, i just accept that fact. i don't run up and yell and scream pointing to my piece and tell them how its real and they are lesser people for buying a lower priced replica. i appreciate that they appreciate the aesthetic i'm into.

[bestial]

This is interesting. I actually said if I had the time and money, that is, if I had the time to follow auctions and pay the really (it is often over €100 shipping) high costs for THE originals I would! That is not by any means promoting to by knock offs. I have a dsr from Vitra, which I don't consider a knock off, although it's a new iteration with a not as nice fabric (plastic instead of glassfibre) that is another thing then buying a IKEA-knock off.

The essence of my post was that there is nice 2010-designers that I like, especially from denmark (HAY among others) that do nice things, but if I had the time and money to go around auctions and be a part of the second hand market, which can be somewhat elitst, to buy original 40-60's stuff I would.

Peoples age ain't important right now, I'm the same as you mr Black.

[PaintedBlack_7]

This is interesting. I actually said if I had the time and money, that is, if I had the time to follow auctions and pay the really (it is often over €100 shipping) high costs for THE originals I would! That is not by any means promoting to by knock offs. I have a dsr from Vitra, which I don't consider a knock off, although it's a new iteration with a not as nice fabric (plastic instead of glassfibre) that is another thing then buying a IKEA-knock off.

The essence of my post was that there is nice 2010-designers that I like, especially from denmark (HAY among others) that do nice things, but if I had the time and money to go around auctions and be a part of the second hand market, which can be somewhat elitst, to buy original 40-60's stuff I would.

Peoples age ain't important right now, I'm the same as you mr Black.

like i said, not everyone needs to collect mid century vintage furniture, if i were an elitist i would come in here and scoff at everyone for not having mid century furniture. what people of this forum need to understand is, there are different needs and different aesthetics in this forum. For example i have a few chairs downstairs that you guys would absolutely despise, arne jacobsen 3107 in black produced by fritz hansen. It's beautiful to me, most people see a bent plywood chair and i am fine with this

[lowrey]

i understand that people have different needs, does everyone really need to spend $500 on an original shell chair? no, if you're some college student on a very tight budget you can go ahead and get the same LOOK on a budget that fits you.

thats exactly what I said in the last part of my post. Still, you fail to see my point. in my book, recommending to buy fakes on a classic piece on which age plays an important role is ignorant, particularly when you make it sound like they are around every corner. we are not talking about a shell chair or an office chair here.

Either way, I look forward to your information on the knock-off cabinets as I haven't seen any myself, will be interesting to see.

i'm 23 years old, and working on a master's degree. most members of this forum are 17-20.

Are you serious? I don't know what on earth you are basing this on, but your perceptions about this community are way off, you should probably read around for a while before making assumptions like this.

what people of this forum need to understand is, there are different needs and different aesthetics in this forum.

90% of what we discuss here is related to aesthetics, you don't need to tell me or anyone here that there are differing views.

[PaintedBlack_7]

thats exactly what I said in the last part of my post. Still, you fail to see my point. in my book, recommending to buy fakes on a classic piece on which age plays an important role is ignorant, particularly when you make it sound like they are around every corner. we are not talking about a shell chair or an office chair here.

Either way, I look forward to your information on the knock-off cabinets as I haven't seen any myself, will be interesting to see.


Are you serious? I don't know what on earth you are basing this on, but your perceptions about this community are way off, you should probably read around for a while before making assumptions like this.


90% of what we discuss here is related to aesthetics, you don't need to tell me or anyone here that there are differing views.

i haven't touched or handled many reproductions other than picking them up and telling whoever brought it to me to get it off of my property.

but here is one of hundreds of locations/websites retailers that make eames reproductions, google search others if you're interested in the reproductions.

http://www.modernwoodworks.com/

like i said, i collect AUTHENTIC pieces, and I WILL NOT VOUCH FOR ANY REPRODUCTION.....EVER I AM NOT VOUCHING FOR THIS